From: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Vinicius Gomes <vinicius.gomes@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/balance: Skip unnecessary updates to idle load balancer's flags
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 10:10:29 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zl53lXjEmnWhlW8p@chenyu5-mobl2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c3d2a49e580cea9ae86e692f72094119310adc8f.camel@linux.intel.com>
On 2024-06-03 at 09:13:47 -0700, Tim Chen wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-06-03 at 00:40 +0800, Chen Yu wrote:
> > >
> > > With instrumentation, we found that 81% of the updates do not result in
> > > any change in the ilb_cpu's flags. That is, multiple cpus are asking
> > > the ilb_cpu to do the same things over and over again, before the ilb_cpu
> > > has a chance to run NOHZ load balance.
> > >
> > > Skip updates to ilb_cpu's flags if no new work needs to be done.
> > > Such updates do not change ilb_cpu's NOHZ flags. This requires an extra
> > > atomic read but it is less expensive than frequent unnecessary atomic
> > > updates that generate cache bounces.
> >
> > A race condition is that many CPUs choose the same ilb_cpu and ask it to trigger
> > the nohz idle balance. This is because find_new_ilb() always finds the first
> > nohz idle CPU. I wonder if we could change the
> > for_each_cpu_and(ilb_cpu, nohz.idle_cpus_mask, hk_mask)
> > into
> > for_each_cpu_wrap(ilb_cpu, cpumask_and(nohz.idle_cpus_mask, hk_mask), this_cpu+1)
> > so different ilb_cpu might be found by different CPUs.
> > Then the extra atomic read could brings less cache bounces.
> >
>
> Your proposal improves scaling. However,
> that could result in many idle CPUs getting kicked. I assume that
> current approach of delegating to a common idle CPU will disturb fewer CPUs
> and let them stay in deeper idle states, and get the power benefits
> from NOHZ scheme.
>
I see, from power point of view, current solution is better.
> > >
> > > We saw that on the OLTP workload, cpu cycles from trigger_load_balance()
> > > (or sched_balance_trigger()) got reduced from 0.7% to 0.2%.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
> > > ---
> > > kernel/sched/fair.c | 7 +++++++
> > > 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > > index 8a5b1ae0aa55..9ab6dff6d8ac 100644
> > > --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > > +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > > @@ -11891,6 +11891,13 @@ static void kick_ilb(unsigned int flags)
> > > if (ilb_cpu < 0)
> > > return;
> > >
> > > + /*
> > > + * Don't bother if no new NOHZ balance work items for ilb_cpu,
> > > + * i.e. all bits in flags are already set in ilb_cpu.
> > > + */
> > > + if ((atomic_read(nohz_flags(ilb_cpu)) & flags) == flags)
> >
> > Maybe also mention in the comment that when above statement is true, the
> > current ilb_cpu's flags is not 0 and in NOHZ_KICK_MASK, so return directly
> > here is safe(anyway just 2 cents)
>
> Not sure I follow your comments about return being safe. Let me explain
> in details.
>
> We will return directly if and only if the bits set in flags are also set
> in nohz_flags(ilb_cpu).
>
> The comment's intention is to say that if the above statement is true, then
> the later operation of
>
> atomic_fetch_or(flags, nohz_flags(ilb_cpu))
>
> will be useless and not result in any change to nohz_flags(ilb_cpu), since all the set bits
> in flags are already set in nohz_flags(ilb_cpu).
Understand. My previous thought was that, what if the current nohz_flags(ilb_cpu) is 0 or
NOHZ_NEWILB_KICK. If yes, return directly might miss one ipi to the ilb_cpu(because
the current code checks flags & NOHZ_KICK_MASK to return directly). But from the current
logic when we reach kick_ilb(), the flag is not 0, and the flag passed by nohz_balancer_kick()
satisfy (flags & NOHZ_KICK_MASK), so returns here is ok.
>
> So will it be clearer if I say
>
> /*
> * Don't bother if no new NOHZ balance work items for ilb_cpu,
> * i.e. all bits in flags are already set in ilb_cpu.
> * Later OR of flags to nohz_flags(ilb_cpu)
> * will not change nohz_flags(ilb_cpu).
> */
>
Yes, this is ok.
thanks,
Chenyu
> Thanks.
>
>
> Tim
>
> > Reviewed-by: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
> >
> > thanks,
> > Chenyu
> >
> > > + return;
> > > +
> > > /*
> > > * Access to rq::nohz_csd is serialized by NOHZ_KICK_MASK; he who sets
> > > * the first flag owns it; cleared by nohz_csd_func().
> > > --
> > > 2.32.0
> > >
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-04 2:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-31 20:54 Tim Chen
2024-06-02 16:40 ` Chen Yu
2024-06-03 16:13 ` Tim Chen
2024-06-04 2:10 ` Chen Yu [this message]
2024-06-04 22:32 ` Tim Chen
2024-06-04 14:37 ` Vincent Guittot
2024-06-05 14:54 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Tim Chen
2024-06-05 17:07 ` Tim Chen
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