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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>,
	Chris von Recklinghausen <crecklin@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: sched/isolation: tick_take_do_timer_from_boot() calls smp_call_function_single() with irqs disabled
Date: Sun, 26 May 2024 22:57:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZlOiIONRExNkgZ0R@pavilion.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v832dfw1.ffs@tglx>

Le Sat, May 25, 2024 at 12:06:06AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner a écrit :
> On Fri, May 24 2024 at 20:37, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> 
> > I've already had a few beers today, I know I'll regret about this
> > email tomorrow, but I can't resist ;)
> 
> You won't regret it. :)
> 
> > On 05/24, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > But again, again. tick_sched_do_timer() says
> >
> > 	* If nohz_full is enabled, this should not happen because the
> > 	* 'tick_do_timer_cpu' CPU never relinquishes.
> >
> > so I guess it is not supposed to happen?
> 
> Right. It does not happen because the kernel starts with jiffies as
> clocksource except on S390. The jiffies clocksource is not qualified to
> switch over to NOHZ mode for obvious reasons. But even on S390 which has
> a truly usable and useful clocksource the tick stays periodic to begin
> with. Why?
> 
> The NOHZ ready notification happens late in the boot process via:
> fs_initcall(clocksource_done_booting)
> 
> So by the time that happens, the secondary CPUs are up and have taken
> over the do timer duty.
> 
> [    0.600381] smp: Bringing up secondary CPUs ...
> 
> ....
> 
> [    1.917842] clocksource: Switched to clocksource kvm-clock
> [    1.918548] clocksource_done_booting: Switched to NOHZ // debug printk
> 
> This is the point where tick_nohz_activate() is called first time and
> that does:
> 
>   tick_sched_flag_set(ts, TS_FLAG_NOHZ);
> 
> So up to this point the tick is never stopped neither on housekeeping
> nor on NOHZ FULL CPUs:
> 
> tick_nohz_full_update_tick()
>   if (!tick_sched_flag_test(ts, TS_FLAG_NOHZ))
>     return;

Oh nice! I indeed completely skipped the clocksource part of the picture!

Thanks.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-26 20:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-22 15:17 Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-23 13:23 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-24  9:31   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-24 14:10     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-24 15:22       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-24 15:20     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-24 17:16       ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-24 18:37       ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-24 22:06         ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-25 13:51           ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-25 14:13             ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-26 19:27           ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-26 20:52             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-27 15:57               ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-27 11:01             ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-27 15:57               ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-28  1:02                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-28 12:19                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-27 16:13               ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-26 20:57           ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2024-05-27  9:10           ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-27 10:23             ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-05-27 11:16               ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-28 12:20 ` [PATCH] tick/nohz_full: don't abuse smp_call_function_single() in tick_setup_device() Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-28 12:22   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-30 12:40   ` [PATCH] tick/nohz_full: turn tick_do_timer_boot_cpu into boot_cpu_is_nohz_full Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-03 15:35     ` [PATCH v2] " Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-03 21:44       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-06-04  5:08       ` Nicholas Piggin
2024-05-30 14:52   ` [PATCH] tick/nohz_full: don't abuse smp_call_function_single() in tick_setup_device() Frederic Weisbecker
2024-05-30 16:52     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-05-30 17:01     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-01 14:03     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-02 21:29       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-06-03 15:41         ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-03 21:45           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-06-10 15:55   ` [PING ;)] " Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 18:15     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-06-10 18:26   ` [tip: timers/urgent] tick/nohz_full: Don't " tip-bot2 for Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 19:42     ` Frederic Weisbecker

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