From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huaweicloud.com>
Cc: paulmck@kernel.org, stern@rowland.harvard.edu,
parri.andrea@gmail.com, will@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk,
luc.maranget@inria.fr, akiyks@gmail.com, dlustig@nvidia.com,
joel@joelfernandes.org, urezki@gmail.com,
quic_neeraju@quicinc.com, frederic@kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Viktor Vafeiadis <viktor@mpi-sws.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 3/4] tools/memory-model: Define effect of Mb tags on RMWs in tools/...
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:43:03 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZnC79zgNZsWTSdVQ@boqun-archlinux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5be2fcc0-0fd7-49d8-bc4b-12bf3e90a677@huaweicloud.com>
On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 at 09:56:31PM +0200, Jonas Oberhauser wrote:
>
>
> Am 6/5/2024 um 6:28 AM schrieb Boqun Feng:
> > On Tue, Jun 04, 2024 at 06:04:40PM +0200, Jonas Oberhauser wrote:
> > > Herd7 transforms successful RMW with Mb tags by inserting smp_mb() fences
> > > around them. We emulate this by considering imaginary po-edges before the
> > > RMW read and before the RMW write, and extending the smp_mb() ordering
> > > rule, which currently only applies to real po edges that would be found
> > > around a really inserted smp_mb(), also to cases of the only imagined po
> > > edges.
> > >
> > > Reported-by: Viktor Vafeiadis <viktor@mpi-sws.org>
> > > Suggested-by: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
> > > Signed-off-by: Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huaweicloud.com>
> > > ---
> > > tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat | 10 ++++++++++
> > > 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat b/tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat
> > > index adf3c4f41229..d7e7bf13c831 100644
> > > --- a/tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat
> > > +++ b/tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat
> > > @@ -34,6 +34,16 @@ let R4rmb = R \ Noreturn (* Reads for which rmb works *)
> > > let rmb = [R4rmb] ; fencerel(Rmb) ; [R4rmb]
> > > let wmb = [W] ; fencerel(Wmb) ; [W]
> > > let mb = ([M] ; fencerel(Mb) ; [M]) |
> > > + (*
> > > + * full-barrier RMWs (successful cmpxchg(), xchg(), etc.) act as
> > > + * though there were enclosed by smp_mb().
> > > + * The effect of these virtual smp_mb() is formalized by adding
> > > + * Mb tags to the read and write of the operation, and providing
> > > + * the same ordering as though there were additional po edges
> > > + * between the Mb tag and the read resp. write.
> > > + *)
> > > + ([M] ; po ; [Mb & R]) |
> > > + ([Mb & W] ; po ; [M]) |
> >
> > I couldn't help suggestting:
> >
> > ([M] ; po ; [Mb & domain(rmw)]) |
> > ([Mb & range(rmw)] ; po ; [M]) |
> >
> > , it's a bit more clear to me, but maybe the comment above is good
> > enough?
>
> Hm, maybe clarity is in the eye of the beholder in this case.
>
> Actually looking at your suggestion makes me think of smp_store_mb(), which
> although represented as Once;F[Mb] could be (mis)understood also as Mb&W.
> And it indeed does the same thing
> ([Mb & W] ; po ; [M])
> would suggest.
>
> (btw I think it is confusing that smp_store_mb is not strictly stronger than
> smp_store_release. Of course there are places where you want a relaxed store
> followed by an mb, but usually the mb versions are strictly stronger.).
>
May not be a good idea to model smp_store_mb() as a (Mb & W), since the
purpose of smp_store_mb() is for SB pattern synchronization. Maybe it
has a bad name, but I think the intentation of smp_store_mb() is simply
a write + smp_mb(), rather than a MB write.
Regards,
Boqun
> Best wishes,
> jonas
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-17 22:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-04 15:29 [PATCHv2 0/4] tools/memory-model: Define more of LKMM in tools/memory-model Jonas Oberhauser
2024-06-04 16:00 ` [PATCHv2 1/4] tools/memory-model: Legitimize current use of tags in LKMM macros Jonas Oberhauser
2024-06-04 16:04 ` [PATCHv2 2/4] tools/memory-model: Define applicable tags on operation in tools/ Jonas Oberhauser
2024-06-05 4:25 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-05 9:54 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-06-04 16:04 ` [PATCHv2 3/4] tools/memory-model: Define effect of Mb tags on RMWs " Jonas Oberhauser
2024-06-05 4:28 ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-05 13:40 ` Alan Stern
2024-06-05 19:56 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-06-17 22:43 ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2024-06-04 16:05 ` [PATCHv2 4/4] tools/memory-model: Distinguish between syntactic and semantic tags Jonas Oberhauser
2024-06-04 17:56 ` [PATCHv2 0/4] tools/memory-model: Define more of LKMM in tools/memory-model Alan Stern
2024-06-05 19:58 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-06-06 16:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-10 8:04 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-06-10 15:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-08 1:00 ` Alan Stern
2024-06-10 8:38 ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2024-07-12 8:06 ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2024-07-29 13:30 ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2024-07-29 14:45 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-07-29 15:19 ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2024-07-29 15:44 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-07-29 15:53 ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2024-07-29 16:05 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-06-10 9:08 ` Jonas Oberhauser
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