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From: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>
To: Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	yuzhao@google.com, david@redhat.com, huangzhaoyang@gmail.com,
	bharata@amd.com, willy@infradead.org, vbabka@suse.cz,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@meta.com,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	zhaoyang.huang@unisoc.com, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND] mm: drop lruvec->lru_lock if contended when skipping folio
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 10:13:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZsTOwBffg5xSCUbP@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <29e481af-b5e1-4320-a672-8251f5099595@gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 11:45:11AM -0400, Usama Arif wrote:

> So Johannes pointed out to me that this is not going to properly fix
> the problem of holding the lru_lock for a long time introduced in [1]
> because of 2 reasons: - the task that is doing lock break is hoarding
> folios on folios_skipped and making the lru shorter, I didn't see it
> in the usecase I was trying, but it could be that yielding the lock to
> the other task is not of much use as it is going to go through a much
> shorter lru list or even an empty lru list and would OOM, while the
> folio it is looking for is on folios_skipped. We would be substituting
> one OOM problem for another with this patch.  - Compaction code goes
> through pages by pfn and not using the list, as this patch does not
> clear lru flag, compaction could claim this folio.
> 
> The patch in [1] is severely breaking production at Meta and its not a
> proper fix to the problem that the commit was trying to be solved. It
> results in holding the lru_lock for a very significant amount of time,
> stalling all other processes trying to claim memory, creating very
> high memory pressure for large periods of time and causing OOM.
> 
> The way forward would be to revert it and try to come up with a longer
> term solution that the original commit tried to solve. If no one is
> opposed to it, I will wait a couple of days for comments and send a
> revert patch.

I agree with the concern, but for a different reason. Commit
5da226dbfce3 ("mm: skip CMA pages when they are not available") was
intended as an optimization, but it  changed the behavior of the
isolate_lru_folios() function in a way that had significant, unintended
consequences.

One such consequence was a notable increase in lock contention, as
described in [1]. Addressing this lock contention issue with a quick fix
seems like a suboptimal solution for such a core part of the system.

Instead, a better approach would be to rethink the original
optimization. Rather than applying a band-aid to the lock contention
problem, it would be more prudent to revisit the changes introduced by
commit 5da226dbfce3 and explore alternative optimization strategies that
do not have such far-reaching and difficult-to-diagnose effects.

[1] Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/ZrssOrcJIDy8hacI@gmail.com/

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-20 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-19 18:46 Usama Arif
2024-08-20  1:17 ` Andrew Morton
2024-08-20 15:45   ` Usama Arif
2024-08-20 17:13     ` Breno Leitao [this message]
2024-08-21  0:51     ` Zhaoyang Huang
2024-08-21 18:33       ` Usama Arif
2024-08-20  4:38 ` Bharata B Rao

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