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From: Stephen Brennan <stephen.s.brennan@oracle.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] fs/dcache: Add negative-dentry-ratio config
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:37:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a0a311d6-bf23-4b62-e2ed-874c116bda6b@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YkYE7RXgP8hL9aLd@zeniv-ca.linux.org.uk>

On 3/31/22 12:45, Al Viro wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 12:08:27PM -0700, Stephen Brennan wrote:
>> Negative dentry bloat is a well-known problem. For systems without
>> memory pressure, some workloads (like repeated stat calls) can create an
>> unbounded amount of negative dentries quite quickly. In the best case,
>> these dentries could speed up a subsequent name lookup, but in the worst
>> case, they are never used and their memory never freed.
>>
>> While systems without memory pressure may not need that memory for other
>> purposes, negative dentry bloat can have other side-effects, such as
>> soft lockups when traversing the d_subdirs list or general slowness with
>> managing them. It is a good idea to have some sort of mechanism for
>> controlling negative dentries, even outside memory pressure.
>>
>> This patch attempts to do so in a fair way. Workloads which create many
>> negative dentries must create many dentries, or convert dentries from
>> positive to negative. Thus, negative dentry management is best done
>> during these same operations, as it will amortize its cost, and
>> distribute the cost to the perpetrators of the dentry bloat. We
>> introduce a sysctl "negative-dentry-ratio" which sets a maximum number
>> of negative dentries per positive dentry, N:1. When a dentry is created
>> or unlinked, the next N+1 dentries of the parent are scanned. If no
>> positive dentries are found, then a candidate negative dentry is killed.
> 
> Er...  So what's to stop d_move() from leaving you with your cursor
> pointer poiting into the list of children of another parent?
> 
> What's more, your dentry_unlist() logics will be defeated by that -
> if victim used to have a different parent, got moved, then evicted,
> it looks like you could end up with old parent cursor pointing
> to the victim and left unmodified by dentry_unlist() (since it looks
> only at the current parent's cursor).  Wait for it to be freed and
> voila - access to old parent's cursor will do unpleasant things.
> 
> What am I missing here?

Thanks for this catch. Since d_move holds the parent's lock, it should
be possible to include the same condition as dentry_unlist() to ensure
the cursor gets advanced if necessary. I could make it a small inline
helper to make things easier to read. I will go ahead and fix that.

Thanks,
Stephen

      reply	other threads:[~2022-03-31 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-31 19:08 [RFC PATCH 0/2] fs/dcache: Per directory amortized negative dentry pruning Stephen Brennan
2022-03-31 19:08 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] fs/dcache: make cond_resched in __dentry_kill optional Stephen Brennan
2022-03-31 19:08 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] fs/dcache: Add negative-dentry-ratio config Stephen Brennan
2022-03-31 19:45   ` Al Viro
2022-03-31 20:37     ` Stephen Brennan [this message]

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