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From: Andrew Jeffery <andrew@codeconstruct.com.au>
To: Patrick Williams <patrick@stwcx.xyz>,
	Chin-Ting Kuo <chin-ting_kuo@aspeedtech.com>
Cc: joel@jms.id.au, wim@linux-watchdog.org, linux@roeck-us.net,
	 linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-aspeed@lists.ozlabs.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org,  Peter.Yin@quantatw.com,
	Patrick_NC_Lin@wiwynn.com, Bonnie_Lo@wiwynn.com,
	 DELPHINE_CHIU@wiwynn.com, bmc-sw@aspeedtech.com,
	chnguyen@amperecomputing.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/3] watchdog: aspeed: Update bootstatus handling
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2024 10:31:55 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a0faca9a6ec7f4acdfa2f29b4ffb94b5392aea6b.camel@codeconstruct.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZyUcIIb1dtoNhX00@heinlein.vulture-banana.ts.net>

On Fri, 2024-11-01 at 14:21 -0400, Patrick Williams wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 01, 2024 at 08:11:59PM +0800, Chin-Ting Kuo wrote:
> > The boot status mapping rule follows the latest design guide from
> > the OpenBMC shown as below.
> > https://github.com/openbmc/docs/blob/master/designs/bmc-reboot-cause-update.md#proposed-design
> > - WDIOF_EXTERN1   => system is reset by Software
> > - WDIOF_CARDRESET => system is reset by WDT SoC reset
> > - Others          => other reset events, e.g., power on reset.
> 
> I'm quite surprised that the above is relevant for a kernel driver at
> all.  Isn't "EXTERN1" a name of a real watchdog signal from your
> hardware (my recollection is that there are 2 external watchdogs).

I think you may be referring to WDTRST1 (and WDTRST2) here.

WDIOF_EXTERN1 and WDIOF_EXTERN2 have an unrelated history:

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blame/master/include/uapi/linux/watchdog.h

>   I
> think the point of this referenced design document was that most
> users
> of BMCs have "EXTERN1" used a for software reset conditions.
> `CARDRESET` should be representing resets by the watchdog itself.

I think this is what Chin-Ting is proposing for the Aspeed driver?

> 
> The purpose of this design proposal was not to require very specific
> changes to individual watchdog drivers, but to align the userspace
> use
> with the best practices already from other watchdog drivers.  I don't
> think the kernel driver should be bending to match a particular
> userspace implementation; you should be exposing the information
> available to your hardware.

I agree with this in principle, but I'm not sure what else is meant to
be done here.

> 
> Having said that, it was known that there would need to be changes to
> the driver because some of these conditions were not adequately
> exposed
> at all.  I'm just still surprised that we're needing to reference
> that
> document as part of these changes.

I think the main question is whether an internal, graceful (userspace-
requested) reset is a reasonable use of WDIOF_EXTERN[12]. My feeling
no. I wonder whether defining a new flag (WDIOF_REBOOT?
WDIOF_GRACEFUL?) in the UAPI would be acceptable?

Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-04  0:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-01 12:11 [PATCH v4 0/3] Update ASPEED WDT bootstatus Chin-Ting Kuo
2024-11-01 12:11 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] watchdog: aspeed: Update bootstatus handling Chin-Ting Kuo
2024-11-01 18:21   ` Patrick Williams
2024-11-04  0:01     ` Andrew Jeffery [this message]
2024-11-07  5:35       ` Chin-Ting Kuo
2024-11-07 23:49         ` Andrew Jeffery
2024-11-08  5:42           ` Chin-Ting Kuo
2024-11-08 14:07             ` Guenter Roeck
2024-11-18 12:46               ` Chin-Ting Kuo
2024-11-18 20:50                 ` Guenter Roeck
2024-11-18 23:00                   ` Andrew Jeffery
2024-11-19  1:27                     ` Guenter Roeck
2024-11-20  4:54                       ` Andrew Jeffery
2024-12-17  2:15                         ` Chin-Ting Kuo
2024-11-07  5:34     ` Chin-Ting Kuo
2024-11-01 22:16   ` Guenter Roeck
2024-11-07  5:35     ` Chin-Ting Kuo
2024-11-01 12:12 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] watchdog: aspeed: Change aspeed_wdt_config struct name to aspeed_wdt_data Chin-Ting Kuo
2024-11-01 22:19   ` Guenter Roeck
2024-11-01 12:12 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] watchdog: aspeed: Update restart implementations Chin-Ting Kuo

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