From: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
To: "Masami Hiramatsu (Google)" <mhiramat@kernel.org>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, zi.li@linux.dev,
anna.schumaker@oracle.com, boqun.feng@gmail.com,
joel.granados@kernel.org, jstultz@google.com,
kent.overstreet@linux.dev, leonylgao@tencent.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, longman@redhat.com,
mingo@redhat.com, mingzhe.yang@ly.com, peterz@infradead.org,
rostedt@goodmis.org, senozhatsky@chromium.org,
tfiga@chromium.org, will@kernel.org,
Lance Yang <ioworker0@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 2/3] locking/rwsem: clear reader-owner on unlock to reduce false positives
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 13:02:31 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a8e1f5b5-90a2-4738-821b-afce9ca59df8@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250624125358.25a7d4cd5ea02ea0bbe373a6@kernel.org>
On 2025/6/24 11:53, Masami Hiramatsu (Google) wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 09:44:55 +0800
> Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 2025/6/24 08:26, Masami Hiramatsu (Google) wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 12:19:25 +0800
>>> Lance Yang <ioworker0@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
>>>>
>>>> When CONFIG_DETECT_HUNG_TASK_BLOCKER is enabled, a stale owner pointer in a
>>>> reader-owned rwsem can lead to false positives in blocker tracking.
>>>>
>>>> To mitigate this, let’s try to clear the owner field on unlock, as a NULL
>>>> owner is better than a stale one for diagnostics.
>>>
>>> Can we merge this to [PATCH 1/3]? It seems that you removed #ifdef and
>>> remove it. This means in anyway we need the feature enabled by DEBUG_RWSEMS.
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback! I see your point about the dependency ;)
>>
>> Personlly, I'd perfer to keep them separate. The reasoning is that
>> they addreess two distinct things, and I think splitting them makes
>> this series clearer and easier to review ;)
>>
>> Patch #1 focuses on "ownership tracking": Its only job is to make
>> the existing owner-related helpers (rwsem_owner(), is_rwsem_reader_owned())
>> globally available when blocker tracking is enabled.
>>
>> Patch #2, on the other hand, is about "reader-owner cleanup": It
>> introduces a functional change to the unlock path, trying to clear
>> the owner field for reader-owned rwsems.
>
> But without clearing the owner, the owner information can be
> broken, right? Since CONFIG_DEBUG_RWSEMS is working as it is,
You're right, the owner info would be broken without the cleanup logic
in patch #2. But ...
> I think those cannot be decoupled. For example, comparing the
> result of both DETECT_HUNG_TASK_BLOCKER and DEBUG_RWSEMS are
> enabled and only DETECT_HUNG_TASK_BLOCKER is enabled, the
> result is different.
The actual blocker tracking for rwsems is only turned on in patch #3.
So, there's no case where the feature is active without the cleanup
logic already being in place.
>
>>
>> Does this reasoning make sense to you?
>
> Sorry, no. I think "reader-owner cleanup" is a part of "ownership
> tracking" as DEBUG_RWSEMS does (and that keeps consistency of
> the ownership tracking behavior same as DEBUG_RWSEM).
I thought this step-by-step approach was a bit cleaner, since there are
currently only two users for these owner helpers (DEBUG_RWSEMS and
DETECT_HUNG_TASK_BLOCKER).
Anyway, if you still feel strongly that they should be merged, I'm happy
to rework the series as you suggested ;p
Thanks,
Lance
>
> Thank you,
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lance
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
>>>> ---
>>>> kernel/locking/rwsem.c | 10 ++++------
>>>> 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/kernel/locking/rwsem.c b/kernel/locking/rwsem.c
>>>> index 6cb29442d4fc..a310eb9896de 100644
>>>> --- a/kernel/locking/rwsem.c
>>>> +++ b/kernel/locking/rwsem.c
>>>> @@ -205,14 +205,12 @@ bool is_rwsem_reader_owned(struct rw_semaphore *sem)
>>>> return false;
>>>> return rwsem_test_oflags(sem, RWSEM_READER_OWNED);
>>>> }
>>>> -#endif
>>>>
>>>> -#ifdef CONFIG_DEBUG_RWSEMS
>>>> /*
>>>> - * With CONFIG_DEBUG_RWSEMS configured, it will make sure that if there
>>>> - * is a task pointer in owner of a reader-owned rwsem, it will be the
>>>> - * real owner or one of the real owners. The only exception is when the
>>>> - * unlock is done by up_read_non_owner().
>>>> + * With CONFIG_DEBUG_RWSEMS or CONFIG_DETECT_HUNG_TASK_BLOCKER configured,
>>>> + * it will make sure that the owner field of a reader-owned rwsem either
>>>> + * points to a real reader-owner(s) or gets cleared. The only exception is
>>>> + * when the unlock is done by up_read_non_owner().
>>>> */
>>>> static inline void rwsem_clear_reader_owned(struct rw_semaphore *sem)
>>>> {
>>>> --
>>>> 2.49.0
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-24 5:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-12 4:19 [PATCH RFC 0/3] extend hung task blocker tracking to rwsems Lance Yang
2025-06-12 4:19 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] locking/rwsem: make owner helpers globally available Lance Yang
2025-06-24 0:17 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-06-24 1:35 ` Lance Yang
2025-06-12 4:19 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] locking/rwsem: clear reader-owner on unlock to reduce false positives Lance Yang
2025-06-24 0:26 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-06-24 1:44 ` Lance Yang
2025-06-24 3:53 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-06-24 5:02 ` Lance Yang [this message]
2025-06-24 6:13 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-06-24 7:38 ` Lance Yang
2025-06-12 4:19 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] hung_task: extend hung task blocker tracking to rwsems Lance Yang
2025-06-24 3:57 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-06-24 4:25 ` Lance Yang
2025-06-23 12:33 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] " Lance Yang
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