From: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Xin Li <xin@zytor.com>, Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/28] KVM: nSVM: Use dedicated array of MSRPM offsets to merge L0 and L1 bitmaps
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2025 16:08:23 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aEFQd8E4RDvLR5tj@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aEBQchT0cpCKkmQ6@google.com>
>Me either. One option would be to use wrapper macros for the interception helpers
>to fill an array at compile time (similar to how kernel exception fixup works),
>but (a) it requires modifications to the linker scripts to generate the arrays,
>(b) is quite confusing/complex, and (c) it doesn't actually solve the problem,
>it just inverts the problem. Because as above, there are MSRs we *don't* want
>to expose to L2, and so we'd need to add yet more code to filter those out.
>
>And the failure mode for the inverted case would be worse, because if we missed
>an MSR, KVM would incorrectly give L2 access to an MSR. Whereas with the current
>approach, a missed MSR simply means L2 gets a slower path; but functionally, it's
>fine (and it has to be fine, because KVM can't force L1 to disable interception).
I agree. The risk of breaking functionality should be very low.
>
>> Removing this array and iterating over direct_access_msrs[] directly is an
>> option but it contradicts this series as one of its purposes is to remove
>> direct_access_msrs[].
>
>Using direct_access_msrs[] wouldn't solve the problem either, because nothing
>ensures _that_ array is up-to-date either.
>
>The best idea I have is to add a test that verifies the MSRs that are supposed
>to be passed through actually are passed through. It's still effectively manual
>checking, but it would require us to screw up twice, i.e. forget to update both
>the array and the test. The problem is that there's no easy and foolproof way to
>verify that an MSR is passed through in a selftest.
>
>E.g. it would be possible to precisely detect L2 => L0 MSR exits via a BPF program,
>but incorporating a BPF program into a KVM selftest just to detect exits isn't
>something I'm keen on doing (or maintaining).
>
>Using the "exits" stat isn't foolproof due to NMIs (IRQs can be accounted for via
>"irq_exits", and to a lesser extent page faults (especially if shadow paging is
>in use).
>
>If KVM provided an "msr_exits" stats, it would be trivial to verify interception
>via a selftest, but I can't quite convince myself that MSR exits are interesting
>enough to warrant their own stat.
Yes, there doesn't seem to be an easy solution to this problem. Given its low
risk, I think we can live with it for now and revisit the issue if it truely
becomes a recurring problem (i.e., people keep forgetting to update the array).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-05 8:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-29 23:39 [PATCH 00/28] KVM: x86: Clean up MSR interception code Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 01/28] KVM: SVM: Don't BUG if setting up the MSR intercept bitmaps fails Sean Christopherson
2025-06-03 7:17 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-03 15:28 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 02/28] KVM: SVM: Tag MSR bitmap initialization helpers with __init Sean Christopherson
2025-06-03 7:18 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 03/28] KVM: SVM: Use ARRAY_SIZE() to iterate over direct_access_msrs Sean Christopherson
2025-06-03 7:57 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 04/28] KVM: SVM: Kill the VM instead of the host if MSR interception is buggy Sean Christopherson
2025-06-03 8:06 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-03 13:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 05/28] KVM: x86: Use non-atomic bit ops to manipulate "shadow" MSR intercepts Sean Christopherson
2025-06-03 2:53 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 06/28] KVM: SVM: Massage name and param of helper that merges vmcb01 and vmcb12 MSRPMs Sean Christopherson
2025-06-03 2:32 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 07/28] KVM: SVM: Clean up macros related to architectural MSRPM definitions Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 08/28] KVM: nSVM: Use dedicated array of MSRPM offsets to merge L0 and L1 bitmaps Sean Christopherson
2025-06-04 5:43 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-04 13:56 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-05 8:08 ` Chao Gao [this message]
2025-06-04 15:35 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-04 15:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-04 15:35 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 09/28] KVM: nSVM: Omit SEV-ES specific passthrough MSRs from L0+L1 bitmap merge Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 10/28] KVM: nSVM: Don't initialize vmcb02 MSRPM with vmcb01's "always passthrough" Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 11/28] KVM: SVM: Add helpers for accessing MSR bitmap that don't rely on offsets Sean Christopherson
2025-06-04 16:11 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-04 17:35 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-04 19:13 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 12/28] KVM: SVM: Implement and adopt VMX style MSR intercepts APIs Sean Christopherson
2025-06-05 8:19 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 13/28] KVM: SVM: Pass through GHCB MSR if and only if VM is an SEV-ES guest Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 14/28] KVM: SVM: Drop "always" flag from list of possible passthrough MSRs Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 15/28] KVM: x86: Move definition of X2APIC_MSR() to lapic.h Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 16/28] KVM: VMX: Manually recalc all MSR intercepts on userspace MSR filter change Sean Christopherson
2025-05-30 23:38 ` Xin Li
2025-06-02 17:10 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-03 3:52 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-06-05 6:59 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 17/28] KVM: SVM: " Sean Christopherson
2025-05-31 18:01 ` Francesco Lavra
2025-06-02 17:08 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-05 6:24 ` Chao Gao
2025-06-05 16:39 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 18/28] KVM: x86: Rename msr_filter_changed() => recalc_msr_intercepts() Sean Christopherson
2025-05-30 23:47 ` Xin Li
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 19/28] KVM: SVM: Rename init_vmcb_after_set_cpuid() to make it intercepts specific Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 20/28] KVM: SVM: Fold svm_vcpu_init_msrpm() into its sole caller Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 21/28] KVM: SVM: Merge "after set CPUID" intercept recalc helpers Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 22/28] KVM: SVM: Drop explicit check on MSRPM offset when emulating SEV-ES accesses Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 23/28] KVM: SVM: Move svm_msrpm_offset() to nested.c Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 24/28] KVM: SVM: Store MSRPM pointer as "void *" instead of "u32 *" Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 25/28] KVM: nSVM: Access MSRPM in 4-byte chunks only for merging L0 and L1 bitmaps Sean Christopherson
2025-06-04 16:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-04 16:28 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 26/28] KVM: SVM: Return -EINVAL instead of MSR_INVALID to signal out-of-range MSR Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 27/28] KVM: nSVM: Merge MSRPM in 64-bit chunks on 64-bit kernels Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 23:40 ` [PATCH 28/28] KVM: selftests: Verify KVM disable interception (for userspace) on filter change Sean Christopherson
2025-06-03 5:47 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-06-04 4:43 ` Manali Shukla
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