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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>, Onur <work@onurozkan.dev>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, will@kernel.org, longman@redhat.com,
	ojeda@kernel.org, alex.gaynor@gmail.com, gary@garyguo.net,
	bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com, lossin@kernel.org,
	a.hindborg@kernel.org, tmgross@umich.edu, dakr@kernel.org,
	thatslyude@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3] implement `ww_mutex` abstraction for the Rust tree
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 11:59:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFReIdlPPg4MmaYX@tardis.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250619145334.GM1613376@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 04:53:34PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 04:44:01PM +0200, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 4:33 PM Onur <work@onurozkan.dev> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 16:14:01 +0200
> > > Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 05:06:56PM +0300, Onur Özkan wrote:
> > > > > +bool rust_helper_ww_mutex_is_locked(struct ww_mutex *lock)
> > > > > +{
> > > > > +   return ww_mutex_is_locked(lock);
> > > > > +}
> > > >
> > > > Do we really need this? In general I dislike all the _is_locked()
> > > > functions and would ideally like to remove them.
> > > >
> > > > Pretty much the only useful pattern for any of the _is_locked()
> > > > functions is:
> > > >
> > > >   WARN_ON_ONCE(!foo_is_locked(&foo));
> > > >
> > > > Any other use is dodgy as heck.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > It's an abstraction of `ww_mutex_is_locked`. Since this is an
> > > abstraction module, as long as `ww_mutex_is_locked` exists I think
> > > we should keep it. FWIW it's also quite useful for tests.
> > 
> > We're not just adding copies of all of the C methods - instead we
> > focus on the things we have a use-case for. If you're using them in

Agreed. And as Peter mentioned allowing a public API of is_locked()
doesn't make much sense.

> > tests, then that could make sense, but otherwise you shouldn't add
> > them.
> 
> It might make sense to include the assert in the method. That is,
> instead of providing .is_locked() that returns a boolean, have a void
> method .assert_is_locked() that traps if not locked.
> 

Moreover, we should also make it not public in the beginning if there is
no real user, which would still be usable in tests. I.e.

    impl<T: ..> WwMutex<'_, T> {
        fn assert_is_locked() { }
    }

Regards,
Boqun

> 

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-19 18:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-19 14:06 Onur Özkan
2025-06-19 14:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-19 14:33   ` Onur
2025-06-19 14:44     ` Alice Ryhl
2025-06-19 14:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-19 18:59         ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2025-06-19 14:42 ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-21 10:32   ` Onur
2025-06-19 14:43 ` Benno Lossin

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