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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>, Cindy Lu <lulu@redhat.com>,
	 Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	 Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	 Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	 "maintainer:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
	<x86@kernel.org>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	 "Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kas@kernel.org>,
	"Xin Li (Intel)" <xin@zytor.com>,
	 Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	"Ahmed S. Darwish" <darwi@linutronix.de>,
	 "open list:KVM PARAVIRT (KVM/paravirt)" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "open list:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] kvm: x86: implement PV send_IPI method
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 07:01:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aHpTuFweA5YFskuC@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aHo7vRrul0aQqrpK@intel.com>

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025, Chao Gao wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 07:15:37PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> >On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 7:01 PM Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 03:52:30PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> >> >On Fri, Jul 18, 2025 at 2:25 PM Cindy Lu <lulu@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> We used to have PV version of send_IPI_mask and
> >> >> send_IPI_mask_allbutself. This patch implements PV send_IPI method to
> >> >> reduce the number of vmexits.
> >>
> >> It won't reduce the number of VM-exits; in fact, it may increase them on CPUs
> >> that support IPI virtualization.
> >
> >Sure, but I wonder if it reduces the vmexits when there's no APICV or
> >L2 VM. I thought it can reduce the 2 vmexits to 1?
> 
> Even without APICv, there is just 1 vmexit due to APIC write (xAPIC mode)
> or MSR write (x2APIC mode).

xAPIC will have two exits: ICR2 and then ICR.  If xAPIC vs. x2APIC is stable when
kvm_setup_pv_ipi() runs, maybe key off of that?

> >> With IPI virtualization enabled, *unicast* and physical-addressing IPIs won't
> >> cause a VM-exit.
> >
> >Right.
> >
> >> Instead, the microcode posts interrupts directly to the target
> >> vCPU. The PV version always causes a VM-exit.
> >
> >Yes, but it applies to all PV IPI I think.
> 
> For multi-cast IPIs, a single hypercall (PV IPI) outperforms multiple ICR
> writes, even when IPI virtualization is enabled.

FWIW, I doubt _all_ multi-cast IPIs outperform IPI virtualization.  My guess is
there's a threshold in the number of targets where the cost of sending multiple
virtual IPIs becomes more expensive than the VM-Exit and software processing,
and I assume/hope that threshold isn't '2'.

> >> >> Signed-off-by: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
> >> >> Tested-by: Cindy Lu <lulu@redhat.com>
> >> >
> >> >I think a question here is are we able to see performance improvement
> >> >in any kind of setup?
> >>
> >> It may result in a negative performance impact.
> >
> >Userspace can check and enable PV IPI for the case where it suits.
> 
> Yeah, we need to identify the cases. One example may be for TDX guests, using
> a PV approach (TDVMCALL) can avoid the #VE cost.

TDX doesn't need a PV approach.  Or rather, TDX already has an "architectural"
PV approach.  Make a TDVMCALL to request emulation of WRMSR(ICR).  Don't plumb
more KVM logic into it.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-18 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-18  6:24 Cindy Lu
2025-07-18  7:52 ` Jason Wang
2025-07-18 11:00   ` Chao Gao
2025-07-18 11:15     ` Jason Wang
2025-07-18 12:19       ` Chao Gao
2025-07-18 14:01         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-07-18 15:15           ` Chao Gao
2025-07-18 15:22             ` Sean Christopherson

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