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From: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
To: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
Cc: "pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"seanjc@google.com" <seanjc@google.com>,
	"Huang, Kai" <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	"ackerleytng@google.com" <ackerleytng@google.com>,
	"Annapurve, Vishal" <vannapurve@google.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Weiny, Ira" <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"michael.roth@amd.com" <michael.roth@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 05/18] KVM: TDX: Drop superfluous page pinning in S-EPT management
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2025 09:25:43 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aLT2FwlMySKVYP1i@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49c337d247940e8bd3920e5723c2fa710cd0dd83.camel@intel.com>

On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 03:53:24AM +0800, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> On Thu, 2025-08-28 at 17:06 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > From: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
> > When S-EPT zapping errors occur, KVM_BUG_ON() is invoked to kick off all
> > vCPUs and mark the VM as dead. Although there is a potential window that a
> > private page mapped in the S-EPT could be reallocated and used outside the
> > VM, the loud warning from KVM_BUG_ON() should provide sufficient debug
> > information.
... 
> Yan, can you clarify what you mean by "there could be a small window"? I'm
> thinking this is a hypothetical window around vm_dead races? Or more concrete? I
> *don't* want to re-open the debate on whether to go with this approach, but I
> think this is a good teaching edge case to settle on how we want to treat
> similar issues. So I just want to make sure we have the justification right.
I think this window isn't hypothetical.

1. SEAMCALL failure in tdx_sept_remove_private_spte().
   KVM_BUG_ON() sets vm_dead and kicks off all vCPUs.
2. guest_memfd invalidation completes. memory is freed.
3. VM gets killed.

After 2, the page is still mapped in the S-EPT, but it could potentially be
reallocated and used outside the VM.

From the TDX module and hardware's perspective, the mapping in the S-EPT for
this page remains valid. So, I'm uncertain if the TDX module might do something
creative to access the guest page after 2.

Besides, a cache flush after 2 can essentially cause a memory write to the page.
Though we could invoke tdh_phymem_page_wbinvd_hkid() after the KVM_BUG_ON(), the
SEAMCALL itself can fail.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-01  1:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-29  0:06 [RFC PATCH v2 00/18] KVM: x86/mmu: TDX post-populate cleanups Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/18] KVM: TDX: Drop PROVE_MMU=y sanity check on to-be-populated mappings Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  6:20   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/18] KVM: x86/mmu: Add dedicated API to map guest_memfd pfn into TDP MMU Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 18:34   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 20:27     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/18] Revert "KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Add a helper function to walk down the TDP MMU" Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 19:00   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/18] KVM: x86/mmu: Rename kvm_tdp_map_page() to kvm_tdp_page_prefault() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 19:03   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/18] KVM: TDX: Drop superfluous page pinning in S-EPT management Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  8:36   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29 19:53   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 20:19     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 21:54       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 22:02         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 22:17           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 22:58             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 22:59               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-01  1:25     ` Yan Zhao [this message]
2025-09-02 17:33       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-02 18:55         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-04  8:45           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/18] KVM: TDX: Return -EIO, not -EINVAL, on a KVM_BUG_ON() condition Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  9:40   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29 16:58   ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-29 19:59   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/18] KVM: TDX: Fold tdx_sept_drop_private_spte() into tdx_sept_remove_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  9:49   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/18] KVM: x86/mmu: Drop the return code from kvm_x86_ops.remove_external_spte() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  9:52   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/18] KVM: TDX: Avoid a double-KVM_BUG_ON() in tdx_sept_zap_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  9:52   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/18] KVM: TDX: Use atomic64_dec_return() instead of a poor equivalent Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 10:06   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/18] KVM: TDX: Fold tdx_mem_page_record_premap_cnt() into its sole caller Sean Christopherson
2025-09-02 22:46   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/18] KVM: TDX: Bug the VM if extended the initial measurement fails Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  8:18   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-29 18:16     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 20:11       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 22:39         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 23:15           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29 23:18             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-02  9:24         ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-02 17:04           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-03  0:18             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-03  3:34               ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-03  9:19                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/18] KVM: TDX: ADD pages to the TD image while populating mirror EPT entries Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29 23:42   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-02 17:09     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/18] KVM: TDX: Fold tdx_sept_zap_private_spte() into tdx_sept_remove_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2025-09-02 17:31   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/18] KVM: TDX: Combine KVM_BUG_ON + pr_tdx_error() into TDX_BUG_ON() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  9:03   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29 14:19     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-01  1:46       ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-02 18:55   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/18] KVM: TDX: Derive error argument names from the local variable names Sean Christopherson
2025-08-30  0:00   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/18] KVM: TDX: Assert that mmu_lock is held for write when removing S-EPT entries Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  0:06 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/18] KVM: TDX: Add macro to retry SEAMCALLs when forcing vCPUs out of guest Sean Christopherson

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