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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Nikita Kalyazin <kalyazin@amazon.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Ujwal Kundur <ujwal.kundur@gmail.com>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/4] mm/userfaultfd: modulize memory types
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2025 17:26:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aQPX859LbBg5FmE8@x1.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6odeeo7bgxgq4v6y3jercrriqyreynuelofrw6k6roh7ws5vy2@wyvx7uiztb5y>

Let me reply in short.

On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 04:24:46PM -0400, Liam R. Howlett wrote:
> Right, so the existing code a huge mess today and you won't fix
> anything, ever.

IMHO fix is the wrong word.  Cleanup it is.  I agree the current
userfaultfd code isn't extremely easy to follow.

> 
> We currently have a uffd_flags_t that sets wp or not then passes it
> through to set another part of the flag to pass it through again.  This
> is stupid.

I feel like you're applying very strongly personal preference to this piece
of code.  I won't say that is stupid.  Axel introduced it, and I think it's
still an improvement comparing to before.

> 
> And then it gets more stupid.  We then check that flag exactly once for
> the second argument in a global function and NEVER LOOK AT THAT PART
> AGAIN.  So we now have a type to contain a boolean, but we keep passing
> through the uffd_flags_t, so we can see if wp is set or not.
> 
> And you're fine with it.  In fact, let's add another one.  I mean, we
> tried for two but people didn't like two so lets whine and whine and
> whine until people get frustrated and let you push a second one of those
> gems into the code you REFUSED TO MAINTAIN.

What I refuse to maintain?  I don't really follow.

> 
> This is what owning a problem looks like: I removed the uufd_flags_t,
> because it's stupid.  I removed all the hugetlb checks because I
> modularized the memory types.
> 
> I'm happy to address changes, but I'm not happy to accept more
> middleware and "it's not part of the patch set" to address any problem
> as you push more trash into an already horrible code base.
> 
> We need to fix things too.
> 
> So I'm fixing it.

Let's wait for a 2nd opinion on the approaches.

As I said, I'm OK if everyone likes your solution and if I'm the only one
NACKing it.  If we can support guest-memfd finally whoever adds that, it's
not so bad.

-- 
Peter Xu


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-30 21:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-14 23:14 Peter Xu
2025-10-14 23:14 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] mm: Introduce vm_uffd_ops API Peter Xu
2025-10-20 14:18   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-14 23:14 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] mm/shmem: Support " Peter Xu
2025-10-20 14:18   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-14 23:15 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] mm/hugetlb: " Peter Xu
2025-10-20 14:19   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-14 23:15 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] mm: Apply vm_uffd_ops API to core mm Peter Xu
2025-10-20 13:34 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] mm/userfaultfd: modulize memory types David Hildenbrand
2025-10-20 14:12   ` Peter Xu
2025-10-21 15:51     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-21 16:28       ` Peter Xu
2025-10-30 17:13         ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-30 18:00           ` Nikita Kalyazin
2025-10-30 19:07           ` Peter Xu
2025-10-30 19:55             ` Peter Xu
2025-10-30 20:23               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-30 21:13                 ` Peter Xu
2025-10-30 21:27                   ` Peter
2025-11-03 20:01                   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-03 20:46                     ` Peter Xu
2025-11-03 21:27                       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-03 22:49                         ` Peter Xu
2025-11-04  7:10                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-04 14:18                           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-04  7:21                         ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-04 12:23                           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-06 16:32                           ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-11-09  7:11                             ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-10 16:34                               ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-11-11 10:05                                 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-10-30 20:52               ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-30 21:33                 ` Peter Xu
2025-10-30 20:24             ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-10-30 21:26               ` Peter Xu [this message]
2025-11-03 16:11           ` Mike Rapoport
2025-11-03 18:43             ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-11-05 21:23           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-11-06 16:16             ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-11-07 10:16               ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-07 16:55                 ` Liam R. Howlett

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