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From: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, arnd@arndb.de, anna-maria@linutronix.de,
	frederic@kernel.org, luto@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	vschneid@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	oliver.sang@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/6] hrtimer,sched: Add fuzzy hrtimer mode for HRTICK
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2026 14:12:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aXIiPDGZdqmFOvBJ@jlelli-thinkpadt14gen4.remote.csb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260121162507.757183816@infradead.org>

Hello,

On 21/01/26 17:20, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> Upon schedule() HRTICK will cancel the current timer, pick the next
> task and reprogram the timer. When schedule() consistently triggers
> due to blocking conditions instead of the timer, this leads to endless
> reprogramming without ever firing.
> 
> Mitigate this with a new hrtimer mode: fuzzy (not really happy with
> that name); this mode does two things:

Does the more common (lazier :) 'lazy' work better?

> 
>  - skip reprogramming the hardware on timer remove;
>  - skip reprogramming the hardware when the new timer
>    is after cpu_base->expires_next
> 
> Both things are already possible;
> 
>  - removing a remote timer will leave the hardware programmed and
>    cause a spurious interrupt.
>  - this remote CPU adding a timer can skip the reprogramming
>    when the timer's expiration is after the (spurious) expiration.
> 
> This new timer mode simply causes more of this 'fuzzy' behaviour; it
> causes a few spurious interrupts, but similarly avoids endlessly
> reprogramming the timer.
> 
> This makes the HRTICK match the NO_HRTICK hackbench runs -- the case
> where a task never runs until its slice is complete but always goes
> sleep early.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Peter Zijlstra (Intel) <peterz@infradead.org>
> ---

...

> @@ -1269,6 +1269,19 @@ static int __hrtimer_start_range_ns(stru
>  	if (new_base->cpu_base->in_hrtirq)
>  		return 0;
>  
> +	if (timer->is_fuzzy) {
> +		/*
> +		 * XXX fuzzy implies pinned!  not sure how to deal with
> +		 * retrigger_next_event() for the !local case.
> +		 */
> +		WARN_ON_ONCE(!(mode & HRTIMER_MODE_PINNED));

Not sure either, but since it's improving things for local already,
maybe it's an acceptable first step?

Reviewed-by: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>

Thanks,
Juri


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-22 13:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-21 16:20 [PATCH v2 0/6] hrtimer/sched: Improve hrtick Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-21 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] sched/eevdf: Fix HRTICK duration Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-22 10:53   ` Juri Lelli
2026-02-05  8:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-21 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] hrtimer: Optimize __hrtimer_start_range_ns() Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-22 11:00   ` Juri Lelli
2026-02-02 12:28   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-21 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] hrtimer,sched: Add fuzzy hrtimer mode for HRTICK Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-22 13:12   ` Juri Lelli [this message]
2026-01-23 20:04     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-02-02 14:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-21 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] hrtimer: Re-arrange hrtimer_interrupt() Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 14:05   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-21 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] entry,hrtimer: Push reprogramming timers into the interrupt return path Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-23 20:08   ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-23 21:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 14:37   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-02 16:33     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-02 23:28       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-03  8:14         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-02-04 13:58         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-21 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] sched: Default enable HRTICK Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-21 22:24   ` Phil Auld
2026-01-22 11:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-22 12:31       ` Phil Auld

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