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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
Cc: Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>, Fan Ni <fan.ni@samsung.com>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Alison Schofield <alison.schofield@intel.com>,
	Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
	linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, nvdimm@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Li Ming <ming.li@zohomail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 00/19] DCD: Add support for Dynamic Capacity Devices (DCD)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 15:22:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aYEHmjmv-Z_WyrqV@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250413-dcd-type2-upstream-v9-0-1d4911a0b365@intel.com>

On Sun, Apr 13, 2025 at 05:52:08PM -0500, Ira Weiny wrote:
> A git tree of this series can be found here:
> 
> 	https://github.com/weiny2/linux-kernel/tree/dcd-v6-2025-04-13
> 
> This is now based on 6.15-rc2.
> 

Extreme necro-bump for this set, but i wonder what folks opinion is on
DCD support if we expose a new region control pattern ala:

https://lore.kernel.org/linux-cxl/20260129210442.3951412-1-gourry@gourry.net/

The major difference would be elimination of sparse-DAX, which i know
has been a concern, in favor of a per-region-driver policy on how to
manage hot-add/remove events.

Things I've discussed with folks in different private contexts

sysram usecase:
----
  echo regionN > decoder0.0/create_dc_region
  /* configure decoders */
  echo regionN > cxl/drivers/sysram/bind

tagged extents arrive and leave as a group, no sparseness
    extents cannot share a tag unless they arrive together
    e.g. set(A) & set(B) must have different tags
    add and expose daxN.M/uuid as the tag for collective management

Can decide whether linux wants to support untagged extents
    cxl_sysram could choose to track and hotplug untagged extents
    directly without going through DAX. Partial release would be
    possible on a per-extent granularity in this case.
----


virtio usecase:  (making some stuff up here)
----
  echo regionN > decoder0.0/create_dc_region
  /* configure decoders */
  echo regionN > cxl/drivers/virtio/bind

tags are required and may imply specific VM routing
    may or may not use DAX under the hood

extents may be tracked individually and add/removed individually
    if using DAX, this implies 1 device per extent.
    This probably requires a minimum extent size to be reasonable.

Does not expose the memory as SysRAM, instead builds new interface
    to handle memory management message routing to/from the VMM
    (N_MEMORY_PRIVATE?)
----


devdax usecase (FAMFS?)
---- 
  echo regionN > decoder0.0/create_dc_region
  /* configure decoders */
  echo regionN > cxl/drivers/devdax/bind

All sets of extents appear as new DAX devices
Tags are exposed via daxN.M/uuid
Tags are required
   otherwise you can't make sense of what that devdax represents
---

Begs the question:
   Do we require tags as a baseline feature for all modes?
   No tag - no service.
   Heavily implied:  Tags are globally unique (uuid)

But I think this resolves a lot of the disparate disagreements on "what
to do with tags" and how to manage sparseness - just split the policy
into each individual use-case's respective driver.

If a sufficiently unique use-case comes along that doesn't fit the
existing categories - a new region-driver may be warranted.

~Gregory

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-02 20:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-13 22:52 Ira Weiny
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 01/19] cxl/mbox: Flag " Ira Weiny
2025-04-14 14:19   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-05-05 21:04     ` Fan Ni
2025-05-06 16:09       ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-06 18:54         ` Fan Ni
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 02/19] cxl/mem: Read dynamic capacity configuration from the device Ira Weiny
2025-04-14 14:35   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-04-14 15:20     ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-05-07 17:40   ` Fan Ni
2025-05-08 13:35     ` Ira Weiny
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 03/19] cxl/cdat: Gather DSMAS data for DCD partitions Ira Weiny
2025-04-14 15:29   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 04/19] cxl/core: Enforce partition order/simplify partition calls Ira Weiny
2025-04-14 15:32   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-02 19:25   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 05/19] cxl/mem: Expose dynamic ram A partition in sysfs Ira Weiny
2025-04-14 15:34   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-02 19:28   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 06/19] cxl/port: Add 'dynamic_ram_a' to endpoint decoder mode Ira Weiny
2025-04-14 15:36   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-05-07 20:50   ` Fan Ni
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 07/19] cxl/region: Add sparse DAX region support Ira Weiny
2025-04-14 15:40   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-05-08 17:54   ` Fan Ni
2025-05-08 18:17   ` Fan Ni
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 08/19] cxl/events: Split event msgnum configuration from irq setup Ira Weiny
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 09/19] cxl/pci: Factor out interrupt policy check Ira Weiny
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 10/19] cxl/mem: Configure dynamic capacity interrupts Ira Weiny
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 11/19] cxl/core: Return endpoint decoder information from region search Ira Weiny
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 12/19] cxl/extent: Process dynamic partition events and realize region extents Ira Weiny
2025-04-14 16:07   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-04-14 22:10   ` Alison Schofield
2025-05-12 17:47   ` Fan Ni
2026-02-02 20:00   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2026-02-24  1:24   ` Anisa Su
2026-03-05 22:00     ` Ira Weiny
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 13/19] cxl/region/extent: Expose region extent information in sysfs Ira Weiny
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 14/19] dax/bus: Factor out dev dax resize logic Ira Weiny
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 15/19] dax/region: Create resources on sparse DAX regions Ira Weiny
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 16/19] cxl/region: Read existing extents on region creation Ira Weiny
2025-04-14 16:15   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-02 19:42   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 17/19] cxl/mem: Trace Dynamic capacity Event Record Ira Weiny
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 18/19] tools/testing/cxl: Make event logs dynamic Ira Weiny
2025-04-13 22:52 ` [PATCH v9 19/19] tools/testing/cxl: Add DC Regions to mock mem data Ira Weiny
2025-04-14 16:11 ` [PATCH v9 00/19] DCD: Add support for Dynamic Capacity Devices (DCD) Fan Ni
2025-04-15  2:37   ` Ira Weiny
2025-04-15  2:47     ` Fan Ni
2025-04-15  4:28     ` Dan Williams
2025-05-13 18:55     ` Fan Ni
2025-04-14 16:47 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-04-15  4:50   ` Dan Williams
2025-04-15 10:03     ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-04-15 17:45       ` Dan Williams
2025-06-03 16:32 ` Fan Ni
2025-06-09 17:09   ` Fan Ni
2026-02-02 20:22 ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-02-03 22:04   ` Ira Weiny
2026-02-04 15:12     ` Gregory Price
2026-02-04 17:57       ` Ira Weiny
2026-02-04 18:53         ` Gregory Price
2026-02-05 17:48           ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-06 11:01             ` Alireza Sanaee
2026-02-06 13:26               ` Gregory Price

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