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From: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
To: Aleksei Sviridkin <f@lex.la>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	"Chester A. Unal" <chester.a.unal@arinc9.com>,
	Daniel Golle <daniel@makrotopia.org>,
	Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	AngeloGioacchino Del Regno
	<angelogioacchino.delregno@collabora.com>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v6 0/3] net: phylink: wait for a PHY that probes after the MAC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 09:53:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa01ab1c-da2c-4638-816b-f535b635379b@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261006124731.1528963-1-f@lex.la>

On 10/6/26 14:47, Aleksei Sviridkin wrote:
> On the Keenetic KN-1012 (MT7981B with an MT7531 switch), the Airoha
> EN8811H behind lan4 has its PHY driver built as a module on the root
> filesystem. The switch sets up its ports before that filesystem is
> mounted, so the port is validated against the generic driver, fails its
> phy-mode and stays dead for the uptime. DSA does not retry it.
> 
> Patch 1 lets the PHY node say so with needs-host-firmware. Patch 2 makes
> phylink poll for such a PHY instead of giving up, for a MAC that opts
> in. Patch 3 opts in DSA user ports of switch drivers that set a flag,
> and sets it in mt7530.
> 
> The poller can still lose a race against an unbind of the PHY driver,
> between its readiness check and the attach. That window is phylib's:
> any phy_attach_direct() caller racing an unbind has it. The attach
> guard series [1] closes it.
> 
> Tested on that board with the series backported to its OpenWrt 6.18
> kernel, together with a940003f44e7 and 07d995873960 (the mt7530
> .get_stats64 atomic-context fix). The kernel had lockdep and
> DEBUG_ATOMIC_SLEEP on. Local debug parameters, not part of the series,
> drove the error paths. They fail the connect after a successful attach,
> ignore the opt-in, fail the generic attach of a PHY with no driver, and
> add a sleep after the switch shutdown.
> 
>   - boot: the PHY driver loaded its firmware at 8.7 s. lan4 attached at
>     26.3 s, when the port was brought up. Link up at 1 Gb/s.
>   - port kept down for 10 s with the PHY driver bound: no poll and no
>     attach. "ip link set lan4 up" attached it a second later.
>   - opt-in ignored: the old behaviour, the generic driver took the PHY.
>   - two injected failures: "failed to connect late PHY: -EIO" twice, a
>     second apart, and the third attempt attached. Link up at 1 Gb/s.
>   - failures that do not stop: four attempts and one "giving up". No
>     poll after that, also not after a down/up.
>   - four failed generic attaches with no driver bound: nothing logged as
>     a failure and no retry spent. The port attached once the driver
>     bound.
>   - switch unbound while the poller waited: nothing oopsed.
>   - reboot with a 3 s sleep after the switch shutdown: the poll ran
>     every second up to the shutdown and not once in the sleep. On v5 the
>     same test polled 3 times in the sleep.
> 
> No in-tree device tree sets needs-host-firmware yet. The board is
> supported out of tree, in OpenWrt.
I'm sorry to give this feedback this late, but AI flood forces this
workflow on us.

The above looks like a significant amount of complexity for OoT driver,
and I understand it could be solved with a different kconf?

/P


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-10-13  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-06 12:47 Aleksei Sviridkin
2026-10-06 12:47 ` [PATCH net-next v6 1/3] dt-bindings: net: ethernet-phy: add needs-host-firmware Aleksei Sviridkin
2026-10-06 12:47 ` [PATCH net-next v6 2/3] net: phylink: wait for PHYs that are known to probe late Aleksei Sviridkin
2026-10-13  8:01   ` Paolo Abeni
2026-10-06 12:47 ` [PATCH net-next v6 3/3] net: dsa: let user ports wait for a PHY that probes late Aleksei Sviridkin
2026-10-13  7:53 ` Paolo Abeni [this message]
2026-10-13 15:12   ` [PATCH net-next v6 0/3] net: phylink: wait for a PHY that probes after the MAC Aleksei Sviridkin
2026-10-14 10:04     ` Paolo Abeni
2026-10-14 17:10       ` Andrew Lunn
2026-10-17 18:03         ` Aleksei Sviridkin

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