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From: "Ruinskiy, Dima" <dima.ruinskiy@intel.com>
To: Mark Pearson <markpearson@lenovo.com>,
	Sasha Neftin <sasha.neftin@intel.com>,
	Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@canonical.com>,
	<jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>, <anthony.l.nguyen@intel.com>
Cc: <acelan.kao@canonical.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	<intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Lifshits, Vitaly" <vitaly.lifshits@intel.com>,
	"Avivi, Amir" <amir.avivi@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [External] Re: [PATCH 3/3] Revert "e1000e: Add handshake with the CSME to support S0ix"
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 18:38:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa685a4f-c270-7b6e-1ede-24570d30dd98@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3fad0b95-fe97-8c4a-3ca9-3ed2a9fa2134@lenovo.com>

On 30/11/2021 17:52, Mark Pearson wrote:
> Hi Sasha
> 
> On 2021-11-28 08:23, Sasha Neftin wrote:
>> On 11/22/2021 18:19, Kai-Heng Feng wrote:
>>> This reverts commit 3e55d231716ea361b1520b801c6778c4c48de102.
>>>
>>> Bugzilla:
>>> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214821>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@canonical.com>
>>> ---
> <snip>
>>>
>> Hello Kai-Heng,
>> I believe it is the wrong approach. Reverting this patch will put
>> corporate systems in an unpredictable state. SW will perform s0ix flow
>> independent to CSME. (The CSME firmware will continue run
>> independently.) LAN controller could be in an unknown state.
>> Please, afford us to continue to debug the problem (it is could be
>> incredible complexity)
>>
>> You always can skip the s0ix flow on problematic corporate systems by
>> using privilege flag: ethtool --set-priv-flags enp0s31f6 s0ix-enabled off
>>
>> Also, there is no impact on consumer systems.
>> Sasha
> 
> I know we've discussed this offline, and your team are working on the
> correct fix but I wanted to check based on your comments above that "it
> was complex". I thought, and maybe misunderstood, that it was going to
> be relatively simple to disable the change for older CPUs - which is the
> biggest problem caused by the patch.
> 
> Right now it's breaking networking for folk who happen to have a vPro
> Tigerlake (and I believe even potentially Cometlake or older) system. I
> think the impact of that could potentially be quite severe.
> 
> I understand not wanting to revert the change for the ADL platforms I
> believe this is targeting and to fix this instead - but your comment
> made me nervous that Linux users on older Intel based platforms are in
> for a long and painful wait - it is likely a lot of users....
> 
> Can you or Dima confirm the fix for older platforms will be available
> soon? I appreciate the ADL platform might take a bit more work and time
> to get right.
> 
> Thanks
> Mark
> 
Hi Mark,

What we currently see is that the issue manifests itself similarly on 
ADL and TGL platforms. Thus, the fix will likely be the same for both.

If we cannot find a proper fix soon, we will provide a workaround (for 
example by temporary disabling the feature on vPro platforms until we do 
have a fix).

This can be done without reverting the patch series, and I don't see 
much value in selectively disabling it for CML/TGL while leaving it on 
for ADL, unless our ongoing debug shows otherwise.

--Dima

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-01 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-22 16:19 [PATCH 1/3] Revert "e1000e: Additional PHY power saving in S0ix" Kai-Heng Feng
2021-11-22 16:19 ` [PATCH 2/3] Revert "e1000e: Add polling mechanism to indicate CSME DPG exit" Kai-Heng Feng
2021-11-22 16:19 ` [PATCH 3/3] Revert "e1000e: Add handshake with the CSME to support S0ix" Kai-Heng Feng
2021-11-28 13:23   ` Sasha Neftin
2021-11-30 15:52     ` [External] " Mark Pearson
2021-12-01 16:38       ` Ruinskiy, Dima [this message]
2021-12-01 19:00         ` Mark Pearson
     [not found] ` <14e6c86d-0764-ceaf-4244-fcbf2c2dc23e@intel.com>
2021-11-24  6:34   ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 1/3] Revert "e1000e: Additional PHY power saving in S0ix" Kai-Heng Feng
2021-11-28 12:33     ` Sasha Neftin

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