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Shutemov" , =?UTF-8?Q?Marc-Andr=c3=a9_Lureau?= , Matthew Wilcox , Miles Chen , Pavel Tatashin , Petr Tesarik References: <20180720123422.10127-1-david@redhat.com> <9f46f0ed-e34c-73be-60ca-c892fb19ed08@suse.cz> <20180723123043.GD31229@dhcp22.suse.cz> <8daae80c-871e-49b6-1cf1-1f0886d3935d@redhat.com> <20180724072536.GB28386@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20180724085358.GG28386@dhcp22.suse.cz> From: David Hildenbrand Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=david@redhat.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFXLn5EBEAC+zYvAFJxCBY9Tr1xZgcESmxVNI/0ffzE/ZQOiHJl6mGkmA1R7/uUpiCjJ dBrn+lhhOYjjNefFQou6478faXE6o2AhmebqT4KiQoUQFV4R7y1KMEKoSyy8hQaK1umALTdL QZLQMzNE74ap+GDK0wnacPQFpcG1AE9RMq3aeErY5tujekBS32jfC/7AnH7I0v1v1TbbK3Gp XNeiN4QroO+5qaSr0ID2sz5jtBLRb15RMre27E1ImpaIv2Jw8NJgW0k/D1RyKCwaTsgRdwuK Kx/Y91XuSBdz0uOyU/S8kM1+ag0wvsGlpBVxRR/xw/E8M7TEwuCZQArqqTCmkG6HGcXFT0V9 PXFNNgV5jXMQRwU0O/ztJIQqsE5LsUomE//bLwzj9IVsaQpKDqW6TAPjcdBDPLHvriq7kGjt WhVhdl0qEYB8lkBEU7V2Yb+SYhmhpDrti9Fq1EsmhiHSkxJcGREoMK/63r9WLZYI3+4W2rAc UucZa4OT27U5ZISjNg3Ev0rxU5UH2/pT4wJCfxwocmqaRr6UYmrtZmND89X0KigoFD/XSeVv jwBRNjPAubK9/k5NoRrYqztM9W6sJqrH8+UWZ1Idd/DdmogJh0gNC0+N42Za9yBRURfIdKSb B3JfpUqcWwE7vUaYrHG1nw54pLUoPG6sAA7Mehl3nd4pZUALHwARAQABzSREYXZpZCBIaWxk ZW5icmFuZCA8ZGF2aWRAcmVkaGF0LmNvbT7CwX4EEwECACgFAljj9eoCGwMFCQlmAYAGCwkI BwMCBhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEE3eEPcA/4Na5IIP/3T/FIQMxIfNzZshIq687qgG 8UbspuE/YSUDdv7r5szYTK6KPTlqN8NAcSfheywbuYD9A4ZeSBWD3/NAVUdrCaRP2IvFyELj xoMvfJccbq45BxzgEspg/bVahNbyuBpLBVjVWwRtFCUEXkyazksSv8pdTMAs9IucChvFmmq3 jJ2vlaz9lYt/lxN246fIVceckPMiUveimngvXZw21VOAhfQ+/sofXF8JCFv2mFcBDoa7eYob s0FLpmqFaeNRHAlzMWgSsP80qx5nWWEvRLdKWi533N2vC/EyunN3HcBwVrXH4hxRBMco3jvM m8VKLKao9wKj82qSivUnkPIwsAGNPdFoPbgghCQiBjBe6A75Z2xHFrzo7t1jg7nQfIyNC7ez MZBJ59sqA9EDMEJPlLNIeJmqslXPjmMFnE7Mby/+335WJYDulsRybN+W5rLT5aMvhC6x6POK z55fMNKrMASCzBJum2Fwjf/VnuGRYkhKCqqZ8gJ3OvmR50tInDV2jZ1DQgc3i550T5JDpToh dPBxZocIhzg+MBSRDXcJmHOx/7nQm3iQ6iLuwmXsRC6f5FbFefk9EjuTKcLMvBsEx+2DEx0E UnmJ4hVg7u1PQ+2Oy+Lh/opK/BDiqlQ8Pz2jiXv5xkECvr/3Sv59hlOCZMOaiLTTjtOIU7Tq 7ut6OL64oAq+zsFNBFXLn5EBEADn1959INH2cwYJv0tsxf5MUCghCj/CA/lc/LMthqQ773ga uB9mN+F1rE9cyyXb6jyOGn+GUjMbnq1o121Vm0+neKHUCBtHyseBfDXHA6m4B3mUTWo13nid 0e4AM71r0DS8+KYh6zvweLX/LL5kQS9GQeT+QNroXcC1NzWbitts6TZ+IrPOwT1hfB4WNC+X 2n4AzDqp3+ILiVST2DT4VBc11Gz6jijpC/KI5Al8ZDhRwG47LUiuQmt3yqrmN63V9wzaPhC+ xbwIsNZlLUvuRnmBPkTJwwrFRZvwu5GPHNndBjVpAfaSTOfppyKBTccu2AXJXWAE1Xjh6GOC 8mlFjZwLxWFqdPHR1n2aPVgoiTLk34LR/bXO+e0GpzFXT7enwyvFFFyAS0Nk1q/7EChPcbRb hJqEBpRNZemxmg55zC3GLvgLKd5A09MOM2BrMea+l0FUR+PuTenh2YmnmLRTro6eZ/qYwWkC u8FFIw4pT0OUDMyLgi+GI1aMpVogTZJ70FgV0pUAlpmrzk/bLbRkF3TwgucpyPtcpmQtTkWS gDS50QG9DR/1As3LLLcNkwJBZzBG6PWbvcOyrwMQUF1nl4SSPV0LLH63+BrrHasfJzxKXzqg rW28CTAE2x8qi7e/6M/+XXhrsMYG+uaViM7n2je3qKe7ofum3s4vq7oFCPsOgwARAQABwsFl BBgBAgAPBQJVy5+RAhsMBQkJZgGAAAoJEE3eEPcA/4NagOsP/jPoIBb/iXVbM+fmSHOjEshl KMwEl/m5iLj3iHnHPVLBUWrXPdS7iQijJA/VLxjnFknhaS60hkUNWexDMxVVP/6lbOrs4bDZ NEWDMktAeqJaFtxackPszlcpRVkAs6Msn9tu8hlvB517pyUgvuD7ZS9gGOMmYwFQDyytpepo YApVV00P0u3AaE0Cj/o71STqGJKZxcVhPaZ+LR+UCBZOyKfEyq+ZN311VpOJZ1IvTExf+S/5 lqnciDtbO3I4Wq0ArLX1gs1q1XlXLaVaA3yVqeC8E7kOchDNinD3hJS4OX0e1gdsx/e6COvy qNg5aL5n0Kl4fcVqM0LdIhsubVs4eiNCa5XMSYpXmVi3HAuFyg9dN+x8thSwI836FoMASwOl C7tHsTjnSGufB+D7F7ZBT61BffNBBIm1KdMxcxqLUVXpBQHHlGkbwI+3Ye+nE6HmZH7IwLwV W+Ajl7oYF+jeKaH4DZFtgLYGLtZ1LDwKPjX7VAsa4Yx7S5+EBAaZGxK510MjIx6SGrZWBrrV TEvdV00F2MnQoeXKzD7O4WFbL55hhyGgfWTHwZ457iN9SgYi1JLPqWkZB0JRXIEtjd4JEQcx +8Umfre0Xt4713VxMygW0PnQt5aSQdMD58jHFxTk092mU+yIHj5LeYgvwSgZN4airXk5yRXl SE+xAvmumFBY Organization: Red Hat GmbH Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:18:39 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180724085358.GG28386@dhcp22.suse.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.11.54.6 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.11.55.5]); Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:18:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.11.55.5]); Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:18:43 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'10.11.54.6' DOMAIN:'int-mx06.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com' HELO:'smtp.corp.redhat.com' FROM:'david@redhat.com' RCPT:'' Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 24.07.2018 10:53, Michal Hocko wrote: > On Tue 24-07-18 10:46:20, David Hildenbrand wrote: >> On 24.07.2018 09:25, Michal Hocko wrote: >>> On Mon 23-07-18 19:20:43, David Hildenbrand wrote: >>>> On 23.07.2018 14:30, Michal Hocko wrote: >>>>> On Mon 23-07-18 13:45:18, Vlastimil Babka wrote: >>>>>> On 07/20/2018 02:34 PM, David Hildenbrand wrote: >>>>>>> Dumping tools (like makedumpfile) right now don't exclude reserved pages. >>>>>>> So reserved pages might be access by dump tools although nobody except >>>>>>> the owner should touch them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you sure about that? Or maybe I understand wrong. Maybe it changed >>>>>> recently, but IIRC pages that are backing memmap (struct pages) are also >>>>>> PG_reserved. And you definitely do want those in the dump. >>>>> >>>>> You are right. reserve_bootmem_region will make all early bootmem >>>>> allocations (including those backing memmaps) PageReserved. I have asked >>>>> several times but I haven't seen a satisfactory answer yet. Why do we >>>>> even care for kdump about those. If they are reserved the nobody should >>>>> really look at those specific struct pages and manipulate them. Kdump >>>>> tools are using a kernel interface to read the content. If the specific >>>>> content is backed by a non-existing memory then they should simply not >>>>> return anything. >>>>> >>>> >>>> "new kernel" provides an interface to read memory from "old kernel". >>>> >>>> The new kernel has no idea about >>>> - which memory was added/online in the old kernel >>>> - where struct pages of the old kernel are and what their content is >>>> - which memory is save to touch and which not >>>> >>>> Dump tools figure all that out by interpreting the VMCORE. They e.g. >>>> identify "struct pages" and see if they should be dumped. The "new >>>> kernel" only allows to read that memory. It cannot hinder to crash the >>>> system (e.g. if a dump tool would try to read a hwpoison page). >>>> >>>> So how should the "new kernel" know if a page can be touched or not? >>> >>> I am sorry I am not familiar with kdump much. But from what I remember >>> it reads from /proc/vmcore and implementation of this interface should >>> simply return EINVAL or alike when you try to dump inaccessible memory >>> range. >> >> I assume the main problem with this approach is that we would always >> have to fallback to reading old memory from vmcore page by page. e.g. >> makedumpfile will always try to read bigger bunches. I also assume the >> reason HWPOISON is handled in dump tools instead of in the kernel using >> the mechanism you describe is the case. > > Is falling back to page-by-page for some ranges a real problem? I mean > most of pages will simply be there so you can go in larger chunks. Once > you get EINVAL, you just fall back to page-by-page for that particular > range. > Looking at makedumpfile code, I assume implementation wise it should be possible. They always try to read 256 pages at a time. If we get an -EINVAL (-EIO?) we could fallback to reading page by page. This implies having to properly handle exceptions when accessing memory. Not sure if that will be easy. Maybe is_ram_page() is the better alternative, because it hinders us from trying to read invalid memory (or memory with random content) in the first place. Will have to think about this and look into the details. -- Thanks, David / dhildenb