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From: Alan Maguire <alan.maguire@oracle.com>
To: tony.ambardar@gmail.com
Cc: alan.maguire@oracle.com, andrii@kernel.org, arnd@arndb.de,
	ast@kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net,
	eddyz87@gmail.com, haoluo@google.com, john.fastabend@gmail.com,
	jolsa@kernel.org, kpsingh@kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	lmb@isovalent.com, martin.lau@linux.dev, mykolal@fb.com,
	sdf@fomichev.me, shuah@kernel.org, song@kernel.org,
	yonghong.song@linux.dev
Subject: vmlinux BTF as a module (was Re: [PATCH bpf-next v4 0/3] Allow mmap of /sys/kernel/btf/vmlinux)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2025 16:00:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ace72324-6395-4e9b-8406-7d99d57018dd@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aC0OpCZCEziDXhwh@kodidev-ubuntu>

> Hi Alan,
> 
> Thanks for taking a look at this. I've been following your related effort
> to allow /sys/kernel/btf/vmlinux as a module in support of small systems
> with kernel-size constraints, and wondered how this series might affect
> that work? Such support would be well-received in the embedded space when
> it happens, so am keen to understand.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tony

hi Tony

I had something nearly working a few months back but there are a bunch
of complications that made it a bit trickier than I'd first anticipated.
One challenge for example is that we want /sys/kernel/btf to behave just
as it would if vmlinux BTF was not a module. My original hope was to
just have the vmlinux BTF module forceload early, but the request module
approach won't work since the vmlinux_btf.ko module would have to be
part of the initrd image. A question for you on this - I presume that's
what you want to avoid, right? So I'm assuming that we need to extract
the .BTF section out of the vmlinu[xz] binary and out of initrd into a
later-loading vmlinux_btf.ko module for small-footprint systems. Is that
correct?

The reason I ask is having a later-loading vmlinux_btf.ko is a bit of a
pain since we need to walk the set of kernel modules and load their BTF,
relocate it and do kfunc registration. If we can simplify things via a
shared module dependency on vmlinux_btf.ko that would be great, but I'd
like to better understand the constraints from the small system
perspective first. Thanks!

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-21 15:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-10 12:34 [PATCH bpf-next v4 0/3] Allow mmap of /sys/kernel/btf/vmlinux Lorenz Bauer
2025-05-10 12:34 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 1/3] btf: allow mmap of vmlinux btf Lorenz Bauer
2025-05-10 12:34 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 2/3] selftests: bpf: add a test for mmapable vmlinux BTF Lorenz Bauer
2025-05-10 12:34 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 3/3] libbpf: Use mmap to parse vmlinux BTF from sysfs Lorenz Bauer
2025-05-12 22:33   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-05-15  7:51 ` [PATCH bpf-next v4 0/3] Allow mmap of /sys/kernel/btf/vmlinux Alan Maguire
2025-05-20 23:22   ` Tony Ambardar
2025-05-21 15:00     ` Alan Maguire [this message]
2025-05-23  1:04       ` vmlinux BTF as a module (was Re: [PATCH bpf-next v4 0/3] Allow mmap of /sys/kernel/btf/vmlinux) Alexei Starovoitov
2025-05-23 17:27         ` Andrii Nakryiko

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