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From: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
To: Yuri Andriaccio <yuri.andriaccio@santannapisa.it>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Yuri Andriaccio <yurand2000@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v5 19/29] sched/rt: Remove support for cgroups-v1
Date: Wed, 13 May 2026 16:37:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <agSMsqv0pxbea2e0@jlelli-thinkpadt14gen4.remote.csb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <913f3f99-cd70-43ac-9a9e-c56f5d4c23a6@santannapisa.it>

On 13/05/26 14:15, Yuri Andriaccio wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> > This however means we will essentially need to maintain 2 versions of
> > rt.c until v1 is gone? AFAIK v1 rt group implementation is quite a
> > substantial amount of code. :/
> 
> If we really need to maintain cgroups v1 maybe it is possible to use the
> same code for HCBS (as I think the behaviors of the old RT_GROUP_SCHED and
> HCBS are 'compatible') and use a subset of the functionalities and
> configuration modes for cgroup v2, i.e., use the cpu.rt_runtime/period_us
> files and disallow running tasks on the root runqueue if they do not belong
> in the root cgroup, which is basically what already happens with
> RT_GROUP_SCHED (right?).
> 
> So this would mean that cgroups v1 will still be 'broken' but will be
> compatible with what there is already. And a good amount of old code will be
> gone.
> 
> Does this make sense?

Yeah it does, but I'd still be worried about what happens to existing v1
users. Today RT_GROUP_SCHED runs at RT priority and can balance runtime
between CPUs, so tasks don't migrate while runtime moves to them. With
HCBS we'd be switching to deadline servers running at DEADLINE priority,
and tasks migrate to where runtime is available instead.

So v1 users would see their cgroup tasks suddenly running above other RT
tasks, and the switch from runtime balancing to task migration could
mess with cache locality and CPU pinning setups that people have tuned
around the current behavior.

Keeping the same interface files doesn't really hide that we're changing
the whole mechanism underneath. :/

BTW, these concerns apply to v2 as well and we will probably need to
discuss them at some point. But, v2 RT support is new, so breaking
current setups might be to expect to a certain extent?


  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-13 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-30 21:38 [RFC PATCH v5 00/29] Hierarchical Constant Bandwidth Server Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 01/29] sched/deadline: Fix replenishment logic for non-deferred servers Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-20  8:34   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 02/29] sched/deadline: Do not access dl_se->rq directly Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 03/29] sched/deadline: Distinguish between dl_rq and my_q Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 04/29] sched/rt: Pass an rt_rq instead of an rq where needed Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 05/29] sched/rt: Move functions from rt.c to sched.h Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 06/29] sched/rt: Disable RT_GROUP_SCHED Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 07/29] sched/rt: Remove unnecessary runqueue pointer in struct rt_rq Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 08/29] sched/rt: Introduce HCBS specific structs in task_group Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 09/29] sched/core: Initialize HCBS specific structures Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 10/29] sched/deadline: Add dl_init_tg Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 11/29] sched/rt: Add {alloc/unregister/free}_rt_sched_group Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 12/29] sched/deadline: Account rt-cgroups bandwidth in deadline tasks schedulability tests Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 13/29] sched/rt: Implement dl-server operations for rt-cgroups Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 13:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 14/29] sched/rt: Update task event callbacks for HCBS scheduling Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 13:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 15/29] sched/rt: Update rt-cgroup schedulability checks Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 14:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 16/29] sched/rt: Allow zeroing the runtime of the root control group Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 17/29] sched/rt: Remove old RT_GROUP_SCHED data structures Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 18/29] sched/core: Cgroup v2 support Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 14:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-06 19:58     ` luca abeni
2026-05-07  7:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07 13:30         ` luca abeni
2026-05-07 14:16           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 19/29] sched/rt: Remove support for cgroups-v1 Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 15:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07 15:35     ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-13 12:15       ` Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-13 14:37         ` Juri Lelli [this message]
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 20/29] sched/deadline: Allow deeper hierarchies of RT cgroups Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 15:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-05 19:56     ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-07 10:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07 15:03         ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-07 15:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07 16:39           ` luca abeni
2026-05-11  9:29             ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-11 17:52               ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-07 16:44         ` luca abeni
2026-05-11  9:40         ` luca abeni
2026-05-11 18:15           ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-11 17:37         ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-07 14:30       ` luca abeni
2026-05-11 18:28         ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-12 17:38           ` Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-12 18:19             ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-12 18:20               ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-13 12:08                 ` Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-13 19:10                   ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-14  7:25               ` luca abeni
2026-05-14 22:20                 ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-18 15:27                   ` Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-18 18:47                     ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-19 21:02                       ` [BULK] " luca abeni
2026-05-20 18:49                         ` Tejun Heo
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 21/29] sched/rt: Update default bandwidth for real-time tasks to ONE Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-20  8:34   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 22/29] sched/rt: Add rt-cgroup migration functions Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 15:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-05 15:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 23/29] sched/rt: Hook HCBS " Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 24/29] sched/core: Execute enqueued balance callbacks when changing allowed CPUs Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 25/29] sched/rt: Try pull task on empty server pick Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 26/29] sched/core: Execute enqueued balance callbacks after migrate_disable_switch Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 27/29] Documentation: Update documentation for real-time cgroups Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 28/29] sched/rt: Add debug BUG_ONs for pre-migration code Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 29/29] sched/rt: Add debug BUG_ONs in migration code Yuri Andriaccio

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