From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: demiobenour@gmail.com
Cc: "Herbert Xu" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] net: Remove support for AIO on sockets
Date: Mon, 25 May 2026 01:03:49 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ahQCZQNoyO8GQt3H@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260523-af-alg-harden-v1-1-c76755c3a5c5@gmail.com>
On Sat, May 23, 2026 at 03:43:02PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour via B4 Relay wrote:
> From: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>
>
> The only user of msg->msg_iocb was AF_ALG, but that's deprecated.
> It can be removed entirely at the cost of only supporting synchronous
> operations. This doesn't break userspace, which will silently block
> (for a bounded amount of time) in io_submit instead of operating
> asynchronously.
>
> This also makes struct msghdr smaller, helping every other caller of
> sendmsg().
So we just had a discussion at LLC about how networking needs to support
AIO better for zero copy.
The current TCP zerocopy implementation provides completion notification
through the socket error code, which is freaking weird and doesn't
integrate well with either io_uring or in-kernel callers.
So we really want to pass the iocb down into networking and have it
call ki_complete on completion, with something higher up in the stack
adding that to the error queue for the legacy user interface.
Now I'm not sure if we wouldn't be better off passing that iocb
explicitly instead of in a weird hidden way, but this seemed like
a good place to bring this up.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-25 8:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-23 19:43 [PATCH 0/3] AF_ALG: Remove support for AIO and old-style drivers Demi Marie Obenour via B4 Relay
2026-05-23 19:43 ` [PATCH 1/3] net: Remove support for AIO on sockets Demi Marie Obenour via B4 Relay
2026-05-25 8:03 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2026-05-26 15:58 ` Jens Axboe
2026-05-27 8:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-28 16:56 ` Jens Axboe
2026-05-29 13:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-27 1:40 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-05-23 19:43 ` [PATCH 2/3] AF_ALG: Drop support for off-CPU cryptography Demi Marie Obenour via B4 Relay
2026-06-03 13:33 ` Harald Freudenberger
2026-07-24 15:35 ` Dominique Martinet
2026-07-24 16:00 ` Eric Biggers
2026-07-24 16:32 ` Dominique Martinet
2026-07-24 18:09 ` Eric Biggers
2026-07-25 7:37 ` Dominique Martinet
2026-07-25 10:18 ` Simon Richter
2026-07-25 17:38 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-07-25 17:49 ` Eric Biggers
2026-07-27 23:40 ` Dominique Martinet
2026-07-24 20:35 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2026-07-25 20:55 ` Richard Weinberger
2026-07-25 22:04 ` Eric Biggers
2026-07-25 23:09 ` Eric Biggers
2026-07-26 7:30 ` Richard Weinberger
2026-07-26 7:28 ` Richard Weinberger
2026-07-26 15:50 ` Eric Biggers
2026-07-26 20:10 ` Richard Weinberger
2026-07-27 17:20 ` Eric Biggers
2026-05-23 19:43 ` [PATCH 3/3] AF_ALG: Document that it is *always* slower Demi Marie Obenour via B4 Relay
2026-05-29 6:09 ` [PATCH 0/3] AF_ALG: Remove support for AIO and old-style drivers Herbert Xu
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