From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,MALFORMED_FREEMAIL,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE81C04A6B for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 09:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FC520989 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 09:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="cuXvBtYb" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727256AbfEJJsZ (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 May 2019 05:48:25 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f66.google.com ([209.85.208.66]:46531 "EHLO mail-ed1-f66.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727145AbfEJJsZ (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 May 2019 05:48:25 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f66.google.com with SMTP id f37so4543038edb.13 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 02:48:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version; bh=BmS+YypmTH70NsRGDtlhScKeOjsqeldkuJn7h8AAN6c=; b=cuXvBtYbowHAlEPUTiQUTRleTW6shxpAvzPebDGFO0ru7nxN3G+8tX+gUwr6KqEZYh 8zXUQqcbGWyQxwp6TzfrFzJzlF/NHyVOcY31l5WmzJgU/dSONGbTjqeQZX0L2gjOjJTo geF4IZHqzOpNZszfVl6YIgnEWnWVDvZfWHOjSz62tYxRSN7vo7+qK9BnTfj8hFT+k3pC 0lw98VmvoYUNn6WUBzNs14DSSKHyabeDHgGhpiYiJbwxHIiOvrsrijzuep35p/Vsx6h9 UzxcMhhAeUvHvTtRNm/W6OP+kjCBRz/ETg+XoRMrKzrEDtgjib9J9mSDngZkDbS+8BBm SrqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id :references:user-agent:mime-version; bh=BmS+YypmTH70NsRGDtlhScKeOjsqeldkuJn7h8AAN6c=; b=PpCVzQ+ep6LlV+/wxrHa2a//dkvyQHTPyTqP7ft8XAvcO1TCbfghUtujsCdh8ZdrJg LbvDXidXwDA81xP5OISVwUyb6XDNStK1A9XYEfgWNslgHqfeBrtkkXU3UqFL9J0zvcYU zfPM2XtS+j75bRICnUBS5gX+oWIIy5mBF5Pir4iEVnUyP8yzqyKWlQGXLMvuIydHMSoK 3PjrbjNxV62A89Lq5jLfTvleo3lTKSUSoXjbgEBJ85UnL363dU2s4fglMQyCFZjpg7vJ wNanossVkr0QNrO+4K43Cfd9Yp3berhMSwEG6Fz6fNYERQrTAmmwPPmVML0/LG23a37L vkdg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXFagEuGOQj2gEaryx5nsgQQUhFxyvCAjZ6HlYzGicDLRyU9via Y5VmOwmH5xEsY/7K7X0GF+i5ZppTzU8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyjzXIRVVWmITXFTDZUL5xGIiCwXuBtZWZd4wR+9isCZ0p2Yrs1EyP5Mecs+ps1R8B6u1NRNg== X-Received: by 2002:a50:d2d4:: with SMTP id q20mr9928677edg.120.1557481703345; Fri, 10 May 2019 02:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.43] ([88.130.159.71]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o34sm1289914eda.97.2019.05.10.02.48.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 May 2019 02:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 09:44:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Roderick To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively In-Reply-To: <2052.1557444762@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: References: <49cfcff55fe21d5d01df916e9f9531f1@redchan.it> <2052.1557444762@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Dear Poul-Henning! I do get your point. I do not think you are an antesimite. I would think the opposite: most antisemites hide behind their israel-friendliness. I appreciate your involvement on what is happenning in the near east. >From the end of WWI the situation of the palestinians got only worse and worser, and with the last developements, faster. You got it, it was not a skilled use of twitter, but unfortunately not only that: you made some errors. It is perhaps not your guilt, because these errors are promoted by the israeli propaganda. >From the very beginning there was jewish oposition to the zionist enterprise, due to different reasons, from so called secular jews and from religious ones. Many as radical as the most radical palestinian. In the internet era this should be clear to you: I suppose you are new in the thema. This is why one cannot use the word "jews" to name a party in the conflict, unless in a very restricted context. The AIPAC is not a jewish political lobbying organization, but a zionist one, a israeli one. The zionist propaganda always told that all jews are behind israel, that they represent all jews, it equates zionist with jewish, and opposition to zionism with antisemitism. It seems you fell in their trap. The other error is perhaps to consider jews as a religious group, that they freely chose to be that: it is irrelevant in the context of the conflict. Arabs see them as a religious group, but zionists, antisemites and perhaps most europeans see them as a people. But even among them there are discussions about it (Shlomo Sand). I once met a very anti-israel jew that very proudly considered her ethnicity as "ashkenazy". How they define their collective identity is mainly their issue. As said, I appreciate your involvement, but I think you were also not prudent. While these guys kill without scrupples in the near east, hidden behind heavy weapons, elsewhere their favourite weapon even against the most weak opposition is diffamation. Best regards Rodrigo On Thu, 9 May 2019, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > You forgot to include this link: > > http://phk.freebsd.dk/sagas/israel/