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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	"Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>,
	len.brown@intel.com, rjw@rjwysocki.net,
	tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, daniel.lezcano@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 21:46:02 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1707172140540.1933@nanos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <91d02dce-7a3c-371c-a247-55fce1e7124a@linux.intel.com>

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On 7/17/2017 12:23 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > Now I think the problem is that the current predictor goes for an
> > average idle duration. This means that we, on average, get it wrong 50%
> > of the time. For performance that's bad.
> 
> that's not really what it does; it looks at next tick
> and then discounts that based on history;
> (with different discounts for different order of magnitude)

next tick is the worst thing to look at for interrupt heavy workloads as
the next tick (as computed by the nohz code) can be far away, while the I/O
interrupts come in at a high frequency.

That's where Daniel Lezcanos work of predicting interrupts comes in and
that's the right solution to the problem. The core infrastructure has been
merged, just the idle/cpufreq users are not there yet. All you need to do
is to select CONFIG_IRQ_TIMINGS and use the statistics generated there.

Thanks,

	tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-17 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-10  1:38 Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/11] sched/idle: create a fast " Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/11] cpuidle: attach cpuidle governor statistics to the per-CPU device Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/11] cpuidle: introduce cpuidle governor for idle prediction Aubrey Li
2017-07-12 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/11] sched/idle: make the fast idle path for short idle periods Aubrey Li
2017-07-11 12:58   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-11 16:33     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2017-07-11 18:11       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12  3:19         ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-12  5:03           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12  5:22             ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-12 12:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/11] cpuidle: update idle statistics before cpuidle governor Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/11] timers: keep sleep length updated as needed Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/11] cpuidle: make idle residency update more generic Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/11] cpuidle: menu: remove reduplicative implementation Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/11] cpuidle: menu: feed cpuidle prediction to menu governor Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/11] cpuidle: update cpuidle governor when needed Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/11] sched/idle: Add a tuning knob to allow changing fast idle threshold Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  8:46 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-10  9:29   ` Wanpeng Li
2017-07-10 13:59   ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-10 14:46   ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-10 16:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-10 17:27       ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-11  4:40         ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-11  9:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-11 16:09             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2017-07-11 16:34               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-11 18:09                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12 11:54                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 15:56                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12 17:46                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 18:53                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12 19:00                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-19 13:43                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2017-07-19 14:51                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12 12:22                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 15:54                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12 17:17                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 17:57                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 18:50                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12 18:46                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-13  8:34                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12  4:15                 ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-12  8:34                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 21:32                     ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-13  8:36                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13 14:48                         ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-13 14:53                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13 15:13                             ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-13 18:28                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-14  3:56                                 ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-14 15:38                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-14 15:52                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-14 15:58                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-14 16:03                                         ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-17  9:21                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-17 13:41                                             ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-14 15:53                                     ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-14 16:06                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-14 16:26                                         ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-17 19:23                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-17 19:27                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-17 19:46                                               ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2017-07-17 19:51                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-17 19:59                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-17 19:48                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-17 19:53                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-17 19:55                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-18  3:23                                               ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-18 18:55                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-18  3:14                                             ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-18  4:45                                               ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-18  6:43                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-18  6:56                                                   ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-18 15:20                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-18 15:29                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-18 16:36                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-18 16:37                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-18 17:05                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-19  5:44                                                       ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-19 14:48                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-19 15:03                                                           ` Christopher Lameter
2017-07-19 16:54                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-20  1:40                                                           ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-20 12:50                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-20 13:45                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-20 14:19                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-20 16:02                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-18 16:45                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-18  6:59                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-18  7:19                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-19  6:12                                                       ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-19  7:55                                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-20  1:56                                                           ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-20  8:11                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-20 13:48                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-18  7:24                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-18 13:23                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-19 13:43                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13 15:20                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-14  3:47                               ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-14  4:05                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-17 13:24                                   ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-17 13:58                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-17 14:02                                       ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-12 12:14                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-11 17:58               ` Christoph Lameter
2017-07-12  2:07                 ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-12  2:35               ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-12 18:10               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-11  9:02         ` Peter Zijlstra

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