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From: Timo Lindfors <timo.lindfors@iki.fi>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: Timo Lindfors <timo.lindfors@iki.fi>,
	David Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	 LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Alex Constantino <dreaming.about.electric.sheep@gmail.com>,
	 Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	 Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
Subject: Re: [BUG][v6.9-rc6] Deadlock with: Revert "drm/qxl: simplify qxl_fence_wait"
Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 18:46:41 +0300 (EEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2405071833510.21166@mail.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <obume4wdvgxc3zljnelhpwrg2rouae322nak5jy3s4hsruoddd@stoopms6fo2a>

On Tue, 7 May 2024, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> Worth trying: use vnc.  The qemu vnc server will skip updates when the
> network pipeline is full.  That throttles the frame rate, but also
> reduces the display update latency.

With Debian 12 it seems that the virtio + vnc + firefox combination 
results in a black firefox window. Adding MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 makes
the browser visible but I still see the constant redraw behavior when scrolling.

The qxl + spice + firefox combination scrolls smoothly even if I force 
firefox to use wayland. I suppose I could write a more synthetic test if
it would be useful? With systemtap I can trace what happens during a single
scroll event.

> In general the trend seems to be to move to in-guest remote desktop
> solutions.  Do NOT make VMs a special case with a special solution,
> instead handle VMs like bare metal.  Commercial solutions exist for a
> while, some of them are doing hardware-assisted video encoding to send
> the display as video stream to the remote end.  gnome+rdp is a new
> player here, clearly worth a try.

Yes this makes sense. I'm definitely not trying to stick to a particular 
technology but instead try to find the best FOSS solution for the use case 
of hosting linux desktops on a server.

-Timo

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-07 15:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-02 12:16 Steven Rostedt
2024-05-02 12:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-05-04  8:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-05-06 12:45   ` Maxime Ripard
2024-05-06 20:28     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-07  5:54       ` David Airlie
2024-05-07  6:38         ` Timo Lindfors
2024-05-07 10:21           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2024-05-07 15:46             ` Timo Lindfors [this message]
2024-05-08  9:56               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2024-05-07  9:03         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-05-08 12:42           ` Anders Blomdell

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