From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964934AbXD2Rr3 (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:47:29 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965085AbXD2Rr2 (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:47:28 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([65.172.181.25]:58414 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964934AbXD2RrY (ORCPT ); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:47:24 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:47:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Andi Kleen cc: Adrian Bunk , Diego Calleja , Chuck Ebbert , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.21 In-Reply-To: <20070429173500.GA30248@one.firstfloor.org> Message-ID: References: <20070426201325.8a1ebda3.diegocg@gmail.com> <20070426224148.69b91b2e.diegocg@gmail.com> <20070428195320.GZ3468@stusta.de> <20070428202701.GA30343@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20070428224904.GE3468@stusta.de> <20070429173500.GA30248@one.firstfloor.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Andi Kleen wrote: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 09:07:43AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > Yes. But not using bugzilla. > > And what would you use instead? Didn't you even *read* my email? I already told you: we have real bugs getting reported and fixed that don't hit bugzilla or any bugtracker AT ALL. This is not a "all or nothing" situation. There is absolutely _zero_ real reason to think that everything has to go through bugzilla. > > I don't know if you've noticed already, but I'm not the only one that > > doesn't have a very high opinon of bugzilla ;) > > Sure, but do you have alternatives? Yes. The ones that *work*. Plain email is preferably over bugzilla 90% of the time. But quite frankly, if you think you can make bugzilla work (and realize that a lot of people will _not_ be looking at it or reporting bugs into it), go ahead. I don't care. The only think I care about is *REALITY*, and that means: - a lot of reporters will not use bugzilla, because it's damn inconvenient even for reporting. If you propose something that uses _only_ bugzilla, you'd better also have the people who enter other peoples bugreports into there. - a lot of developers will not use bugzilla, because it's even more inconvenient for developers, with no sane ways to interact with the right people. So if you propose using bugzilla, you'd really better have the manpower to turn bugzilla into emails (and no, the bugzilla cc list etc is _not_ the primary one - the email cc's are the primary ones, because that's where it is much easier to bring in new people) In other words, anything that thinks that bugzilla is "primary" is just broken. It can be a _part_ of the thing, but drop the belief of it being a primary tracker. It's just too inconvenient. Linus