From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Esben Nielsen <nielsen.esben@googlemail.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
caglar@pardus.org.tr, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@gmail.com>, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
Zach Carter <linux@zachcarter.com>,
buddabrod <buddabrod@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [patch] CFS scheduler, -v8
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0705070905330.3802@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0705071311040.14011@frodo.shire>
On Mon, 7 May 2007, Esben Nielsen wrote:
>
> I would hate to tell mission control for Mankind's first mission to another
> star to reboot every 200 years because "there is no need to worry about it."
I'd like to put it another way:
- if your mission to another star *depends* on every single piece of
complex equipment staying up with zero reboots for 200+ years, you have
some serious technology problems.
In other words: your argument is populist, and totally silly.
Trust me, if you are going to another star, you'd better have the
capabilities to handle bugs. You'd better have multiple fail-over etc.
A notion of "robustness" cannot and must not hinge on "no bugs". That's
unrealistic.
> As a matter of principle an OS should never need a reboot (with exception for
> upgrading). If you say you have to reboot every 200 years, why not every 100?
> Every 50? .... Every 45 days (you know what I am referring to :-) ?
There's something of a difference between 45 days and 292 years.
I'm not saying we can't get there, but worrying about it in the current
state is just stupid. It's not just looking at the trees and not seeing
the forest, it's looking at one *leaf*, and missing the forest.
And quite frankly, if you work for NASA and are aiming for the stars,
you'd better not be that person who looks at one leaf and cannot see the
forest around you. That's the kind of thing that makes you miss the
difference between miles and kilometers.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-07 16:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-01 21:22 Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 2:57 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02 5:10 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-02 5:30 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 10:05 ` Bill Huey
2007-05-02 10:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 17:36 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-02 17:48 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 18:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 18:56 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 19:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 19:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03 2:48 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 3:18 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 10:19 ` Bill Huey
2007-05-02 23:41 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02 18:42 ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-02 19:10 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03 3:07 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 8:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-03 14:26 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-03 15:19 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 15:02 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02 6:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02 6:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 8:03 ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02 8:12 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02 8:48 ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02 8:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 8:51 ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02 7:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02 8:11 ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02 10:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 9:08 ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-02 10:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 10:59 ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-02 11:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-05 8:31 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-05 17:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-06 8:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-06 8:36 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-06 8:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-06 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-07 11:30 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-07 15:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-07 16:11 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2007-05-08 0:35 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-08 9:05 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-09 0:01 ` Peter Williams
2007-05-10 13:09 ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-11 16:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-11 19:18 ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-11 19:37 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-11 20:53 ` Kevin Bowling
2007-05-07 11:09 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-07 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-07 18:39 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-05-07 18:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-08 7:34 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-08 9:54 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-05-08 10:27 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-08 5:36 ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-02 12:58 ` Mark Lord
2007-05-02 12:58 ` Vegard Nossum
2007-05-02 16:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-03 8:20 Zoltan Boszormenyi
2007-05-03 13:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-03 13:29 ` Damien Wyart
2007-05-03 14:53 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-03 15:53 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03 18:44 ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-03 19:52 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07 14:22 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-07 20:54 ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-07 0:04 ` Bill Davidsen
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