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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jikos@jikos.cz>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@openvz.org>,
	Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] printk deadlocks if called with runqueue lock held
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:30:20 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801180918110.2957@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4790BDD1.40808@siemens.com>



On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> Steven Rostedt wrote:
> ...
> > @@ -978,7 +980,13 @@ void release_console_sem(void)
> >  	console_locked = 0;
> >  	up(&console_sem);
> 
> Hmm, just looking at this fragment: Doesn't up() include the risk of
> running onto the runqueue lock as well?

In theory yes.

I suspect it would never ever be a problem in practice (the case we care 
about is running with interrupts disabled, and we got it with 
down_trylock()), so as this is only about essentially custon debug or oops 
things anyway, it's probably not worth fixing.

That said, you're definitely right in theory.

But *IF* we want to fix the almost certainly purely theoretical problem, 
it would be possible but fairly ugly.

We'd need to (a) make it a mutex rather than a semaphore (which is 
definitely not the ugly part), and then - the ugly part - (b) expose a 
whole new mutex interface: an enhanched version of "mutex_trylock()" that 
*also* keeps the mutex spinlock locked, and then instead of using 
"mutex_unlock()" we'd use a special "mutex_unlock_atomic()" that knows the 
spinlock was held over the whole time.

So it would then use something like

	if (mutex_trylock_atomic(..)) {

		mutex_unlock_atomic(..);
	}

and that would work out ok.

It's likely not that hard, and in fact this may be why "console_sem" was 
never converted to a mutex: I think Ingo tried, but it didn't work right 
with debugging enabled, and I can well imagine that it was all due to this 
issue. But if we do those _atomic() versions, we'd probably fix that 
problem.

So maybe the "ugly new interface" would actually be a cleanup in the long 
run, by possibly fixing the fact that things just *happened* to work with 
semaphores because they didn't do the fancy debug version..

Ingo?

			Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-18 17:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-18  1:04 Steven Rostedt
2008-01-18  1:19 ` Andrew Morton
2008-01-18  1:57   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-18  1:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18  1:52   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-18 11:04 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-01-18 11:35   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-18 14:55     ` Jan Kiszka
2008-01-18 16:26       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-18 17:30       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-01-23 13:31 ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-23 18:36   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-24  9:00     ` Pavel Machek

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