From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1762725AbYDZUfx (ORCPT ); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:35:53 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1759524AbYDZUfq (ORCPT ); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:35:46 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:54016 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758518AbYDZUfp (ORCPT ); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:35:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Andrew Morton cc: Stefan Richter , Adrian Bunk , Harvey Harrison , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , LKML Subject: Re: If you want me to quit I will quit In-Reply-To: <20080426133049.187e255c.akpm@linux-foundation.org> Message-ID: References: <1209190455.14173.13.camel@brick> <20080426110044.GB2252@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> <20080426075132.b0fdbe13.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080426152341.GI2252@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> <20080426084420.8e61c379.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080426171604.GN2252@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> <481379BB.5050208@s5r6.in-berlin.de> <20080426133049.187e255c.akpm@linux-foundation.org> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, Andrew Morton wrote: > On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > So it's an important part of the process to try to do a good job, and not > > publicizing crap - but it's *equally* important to realize that crap > > happens, and that it's easily *more* distracting to try to clean it up > > after-the-fact than it is to just admit that it happened. > > Fact is, this is the way in which developers want to work. That is their > workflow, and their tools should follow their workflow. If a tool's > behaviour prevents them from implementing their desired workflow, it isn't > the workflow which should be changed ;) But that was exactly my point. Bugs *will* happen. Follow-up patches *will* happen. Don't fight it. Do the best you can do - there's no way people will ever avoid all bugs to begin with. And trying to white-wash things later is just pointless and actively *bad*, when others have already seen and merged the original patches. Linus