From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933019AbYEBO7I (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 10:59:08 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758153AbYEBO64 (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 10:58:56 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:42874 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752896AbYEBO6z (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 May 2008 10:58:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:58:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Adrian Bunk cc: Paul Mackerras , Josh Boyer , Arjan van de Ven , Andrew Morton , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , davem@davemloft.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jirislaby@gmail.com, Steven Rostedt Subject: Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies In-Reply-To: <20080502082936.GB2003@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> Message-ID: References: <20080430131537.1f7a0914.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080501003125.GM29330@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> <20080430000338.50548884@infradead.org> <20080501113038.GW29330@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> <20080430072013.7c3b30b1@infradead.org> <20080501132159.GC29330@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> <18458.30641.838156.434563@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> <1209697815.2946.156.camel@vader.jdub.homelinux.org> <18458.37891.268060.691285@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> <20080502082936.GB2003@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LFD 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2 May 2008, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > But for users this is a recent regression since 2.6.24 worked > and 2.6.25 does not. Totally and utterly immaterial. If it's a timing-related bug, as far as developers are concerned, nothing they did introduced the problem. So anybody who think s that "process" should have caught it is just being stupid. Adrian, you're one of the absolutely *worst* in the camp of "everything should be perfect". You really need to realize that reality is messy, and things cannot be pefect. You also need to realize and *understand* that aiming for "good" is actually much BETTER than trying to aim for "perfect". Perfect is the enemy of good. Linus