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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	mingo@elte.hu, tglx@linutronix.de, marcin.slusarz@gmail.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Paul E McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] printk vs rq->lock and xtime lock
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:25:00 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808081014240.3462@nehalem.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1218215454.8625.133.camel@twins>



On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> Sure, but the RCU callback period is at least 3 jiffies and much longer
> when busy - I'm not sure how long before we force a grace period, we do
> that to avoid DoS, right Paul?

I really don't think it matters. klogd is going to write the thing to 
_disk_ (or network), and three jiffies really don't matter. If we can fill 
the buffer in that kind of time, we're screwed for other reasons anyway.

> So this version would have a much higher risk of overflowing the console
> buffer and making klogd miss bits. Then again, I really don't care about
> klogd at _all_, I've been running with the wakeup patched out for ages.

Well, I'd care a _bit_ about klogd, but not enough to worry about a couple 
of jiffies. We want to wake it up at some point, but...

> Gah, the below doesn't boot - because I guess we start using rcu before
> its properly set up.. should I poke at it more?

I'd certainly prefer this kind of approach. However, may I suggest:

 - doing the "waitqueue_active(&log_wait)" before even bothering to do the 
   RCU call. That, btw, will automatically mean that we wouldn't ever call 
   the RCU code before anything is initialized.

 - get rid of the "oops_in_progress" thing, since I think the whole point 
   of that was to avoid getting the lock recursively in the first place.

 - I'd worry about the "spin_lock_irqsave(&klogd_wakeup_state.lock)". What 
   if the printk happens from call_rcu()? This is exactly what we're 
   trying to get away from - having some parts of the kernel not able to 
   printk() because of subtle locking issues.

For that last thing, maybe we can just make it a percpu thing and just 
disable irq's?

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-08 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-24 12:24 Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-24 12:24 ` [PATCH 1/2] printk_nowakeup() Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-24 12:24 ` [PATCH 2/2] time: xtime lock vs printk Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-24 14:21   ` Daniel Walker
2008-03-24 14:31 ` [PATCH 0/2] printk vs rq->lock and xtime lock Marcin Slusarz
2008-03-24 17:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-03-24 18:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-24 18:57     ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-08 13:30       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 13:46         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 16:41         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-08 17:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 17:25             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-08-08 17:40               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 17:48                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-08 18:14                   ` [PATCH] printk: robustify printk Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 18:30                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-08 18:33                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 19:14                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-08 19:21                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 19:37                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-08 19:49                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 20:32                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-08 20:37                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 20:46                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-08 20:57                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-08 21:13                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-08 20:50                               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-08 19:47                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-11 10:45                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-11 11:03                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-11 11:22                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-11 11:42                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-11 14:15                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-08-11 14:29                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-11 14:55                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-11 12:02                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-11 12:14                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-11 11:04                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-11 11:51                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-11 12:36                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-20 12:40                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-08-20 12:43                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-20 13:40                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-11 16:09                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-11 13:22                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-08 20:30                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-08 20:20                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-08 21:35                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-08 23:02                     ` David Miller
2008-08-09  0:18                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-08 17:52                 ` [PATCH 0/2] printk vs rq->lock and xtime lock Steven Rostedt
2008-03-24 18:16   ` Linus Torvalds

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