From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Mark Hounschell <markh@compro.net>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Stefani Seibold <stefani@seibold.net>,
Dario Faggioli <raistlin@linux.it>,
Max Krasnyansky <maxk@qualcomm.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] sched: disabled rt-bandwidth by default
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:42:01 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808281138060.3300@nehalem.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48B6EB6F.2050802@compro.net>
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Mark Hounschell wrote:
>
> More and more are wanting and now finding the Linux kernel to be more
> RT capable. I seem to remember way back you saying it was one thing you didn't
> really care much about one way or the other. Thats OK. But, you _are_ the man.
The thing is, the reason I dislike RT is that so many people have so
different understanding of what RT means.
Quite frankly, I think that the people who are complaining (like you)
think that RT means "hard realtime". You think about literally specialized
devices.
A lot of _other_ people think that RT means "good audio latency", where it
really is a lot softer.
And neither camp seems to ever admit that they are just a small camp, and
that the other camp exists or is even valid.
And I'm not really interested. Quite frankly, I suspect the "we want to
run something like pulseaudio with RT priorities" camp is the more common
one, and in that context I understand limiting SCHED_FIFO sounds perfectly
understandable.
As to your
> "just to protect a few _supposedly_ bad programmers???"
quite frankly, most programmers aren't "supposedly bad". And if you think
that the hard-RT "real man" programmers aren't bad, I really have nothing
to say.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-08-28 18:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-08-19 10:33 [PATCH 0/6] sched: rt-bandwidth fixes Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 10:33 ` [PATCH 1/6] sched: rt-bandwidth for user grouping interface Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 10:33 ` [PATCH 2/6] sched: rt-bandwidth accounting fix Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 18:33 ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-08-19 18:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 10:33 ` [PATCH 3/6] sched: rt-bandwidth group disable fixes Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 10:33 ` [PATCH 4/6] sched: extract walk_tg_tree() Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 10:33 ` [PATCH 5/6] sched: rt-bandwidth fixes Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 10:33 ` [PATCH 6/6] sched: disabled rt-bandwidth by default Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 11:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-19 11:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-19 11:42 ` [PATCH] sched: extract walk_tg_tree(), fix Ingo Molnar
2008-08-19 11:17 ` [PATCH 6/6] sched: disabled rt-bandwidth by default Nick Piggin
2008-08-19 12:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-19 18:15 ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-08-20 11:56 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 9:00 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 9:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-26 9:44 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 10:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-26 11:03 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 9:54 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 11:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-08-26 11:27 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 12:50 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-26 13:31 ` Stefani Seibold
2008-08-26 17:55 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-26 21:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-08-26 22:49 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-27 10:08 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 10:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 11:09 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-28 11:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-28 11:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 11:50 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-28 12:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-28 12:14 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-28 12:18 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 16:19 ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-08-28 16:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 16:33 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-28 12:03 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 13:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 13:45 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 12:29 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-27 10:04 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 13:47 ` Mark Hounschell
2008-08-26 23:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-27 18:55 ` Chris Friesen
2008-08-28 14:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-28 14:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 14:36 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 15:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-28 15:34 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 15:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-28 17:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-28 18:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-28 18:10 ` Darren Hart
2008-08-28 18:16 ` Mark Hounschell
2008-08-28 18:42 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-08-28 18:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-29 7:56 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-08-29 8:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-29 8:47 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-08-28 19:39 ` Stefani Seibold
2008-08-28 20:53 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-30 6:33 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 16:33 ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-08-28 17:22 ` John Kacur
2008-08-28 16:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-28 16:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-28 16:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
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