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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [git patches] libata hibernation fixes
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:29:20 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0811040823350.3419@nehalem.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081104062734.GA4420@havoc.gtf.org>



On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> 
> This adds code at a late stage (heading towards -rc4), but does
> eliminate a particular spin-up overcycling behavior associated with
> hibernation.

What does this have to do with hibernation? 

If it's a hibernation-only issue, then there is something wrong. 

Also, if it is an issue for normal power-off as well, then I wonder why 
this isn't an issue on Windows. Does windows not spin down disks at all?

IOW, I really don't think this is correct. 

I _do_ think that correct might be:

 - maybe we just do something odd and different, triggering some BIOS 
   behavior that isn't there under Windows.

   So we should power down thigns differently so that the BIOS.

 - quite possibly: we just should not spin down disks at all, and just 
   flush them and do the "park" command thing. If we're _really_ powering 
   off, the disks will spin down on their own when power goes away. Maybe 
   that's what Windows does?

So I really don't want to pull this, because I want to get more of an 
explanation for why we need to do this at all. I also don't think this is 
even appropriate at this stage in -rc.

Is it a regression? If so, that just strengthens the questions above - 
what did _we_ start doing wrong that this is needed at all? Let's just 
stop doing that, not add some idiotic black-list for somethign that _we_ 
do wrong.

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-04 16:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-04  6:27 Jeff Garzik
2008-11-04 16:29 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-11-04 16:53   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-04 16:59     ` Mark Lord
2008-11-04 17:07       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-05  2:17         ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-04 20:30   ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-04 21:08     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-04 21:12     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-11-05  2:23       ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-05  2:42   ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-10  8:52     ` Tejun Heo
2009-01-02  2:36 ` Tejun Heo
2009-01-05  8:34   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-01-11  5:44   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-01-11 12:43     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-18 10:20       ` Frans Pop
2009-01-18 20:25         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-18 20:39           ` Jeff Garzik
2009-01-19 19:53             ` [PATCH 0/6] Hibernation/poweroff quirks (was: Re: [git patches] libata hibernation fixes) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-19 19:54               ` [PATCH 1/6] Hibernation: Introduce system_entering_hibernation Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-19 21:25                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-01-19 21:35                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-19 21:48                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-01-20  7:30                 ` Maciej Rutecki
2009-01-29 13:04                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-29 14:51                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-19 19:55               ` [PATCH 2/6] DMI: Introduce dmi_first_match to make the interface more flexible Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-19 21:15                 ` Frans Pop
2009-01-20  7:30                 ` Maciej Rutecki
2009-01-19 19:56               ` [PATCH 3/6] SATA: Blacklisting of systems that spin off disks during ACPI power off Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-20  7:31                 ` Maciej Rutecki
2009-01-19 19:57               ` [PATCH 4/6] SATA AHCI: Blacklist system that spins " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-20  7:31                 ` Maciej Rutecki
2009-01-19 19:58               ` [PATCH 5/6] SATA Sil: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-20  7:32                 ` Maciej Rutecki
2009-01-19 19:59               ` [PATCH 6/6] SATA PIIX: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-19 22:08                 ` Frans Pop
2009-01-20  7:33                 ` Maciej Rutecki
2009-01-18 20:59           ` [git patches] libata hibernation fixes Frans Pop
2009-01-18 22:52             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-01-20 20:54               ` STR/STD OK with -rc2 + selected pending patches (was: [git patches] libata hibernation fixes) Frans Pop
2009-01-20 21:12                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found] <fa.Ast7pgG6P20u1PcyOsfgzoaX5YA@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.1+JQHm7yjIiZJxAzR0eBPn39a9M@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.+bfipgmFkcLlZMtnFL0Ks2zyN8Q@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.Iek0GbTZLinM2sOi6+b7bsCgnfs@ifi.uio.no>
2008-11-05  0:01       ` [git patches] libata hibernation fixes Robert Hancock
2008-11-05  0:45         ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-11-05  2:30           ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-05  9:31             ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-11-05  9:37               ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-05 14:37               ` Robert Hancock
     [not found]   ` <fa.8GbzH83c2CAI53n9dyzVOFugmoc@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.hGdpNHQGmXAR19JiGuHxSr9N9CA@ifi.uio.no>
2008-11-05  0:20       ` Robert Hancock
2008-11-05  2:10         ` Mark Lord
2008-11-05  2:24           ` Robert Hancock
2009-01-27  7:31 Jeff Garzik

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