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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	rjw@sisk.pl, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-testers@vger.kernel.org, cl@linux-foundation.org,
	efault@gmx.de, a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl,
	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>
Subject: Re: skb_release_head_state(): Re: [Bug #11308] tbench regression on each kernel release from 2.6.22 -&gt; 2.6.28
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:34:33 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0811171325260.18283@nehalem.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081117205530.GE12020@elte.hu>



On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> this function _really_ hurts from a 16-bit op:
> 
> ffffffff8048943e:     6503 	66 c7 83 a8 00 00 00 	movw   $0x0,0xa8(%rbx)
> ffffffff80489445:        0 	00 00 
> ffffffff80489447:   174101 	5b                   	pop    %rbx

I don't think that is it, actually. The 16-bit store just before it had a 
zero count, even though anything that executes the second one will always 
execute the first one too.

The fact is, x86 profiles are subtle at an instruction level, and you tend 
to get profile hits _after_ the instruction that caused the cost because 
an interrupt (even an NMI) is always delayed to the next instruction (the 
one that didn't complete). And since the core will execute out-of-order, 
you don't even know what that one is, since there could easily be 
branches, but even in the absense of branches you have many instructions 
executing together.

For example, in many situations the two 16-bit stores will happily execute 
together, and what you see may simply be a cache miss on the line that was 
stored to. The store buffer needs to resolve the read of the "pop" in 
order to complete, so having a big count in between stores and a 
subsequent load is not all that unlikely.

So doing per-instruction profiling is not useful unless you start looking 
at what preceded the instruction, and because of the out-of-order nature, 
you really almost have to look for cache misses or branch mispredicts.

One common reason for such a big count on an instruction that looks 
perfectly simple is often that there is a branch to that instruction that 
was mispredicted. Or that there was an instruction that was costly _long_ 
before, and that other instructions were in the shadow of that one 
completing (ie they had actually completed first, but didn't retire until 
the earlier instruction did).

So you really should never just look at the previous instruction or 
anythign as simplistic as that. The time of in-order execution is long 
past.

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-17 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 185+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-16 17:38 2.6.28-rc5: Reported regressions 2.6.26 -> 2.6.27 Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:38 ` [Bug #11207] VolanoMark regression with 2.6.27-rc1 Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11215] INFO: possible recursive locking detected ps2_command Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11308] tbench regression on each kernel release from 2.6.22 -&gt; 2.6.28 Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-17  9:06   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17  9:14     ` David Miller
2008-11-17 11:01       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 11:20         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 16:11           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 16:35             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 17:08               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 17:25                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 17:33                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 17:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-11-17 17:42                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 18:23                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 18:33                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-11-17 18:49                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 19:30                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 19:39                           ` David Miller
2008-11-17 19:43                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 19:55                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-11-17 20:16                               ` David Miller
2008-11-17 20:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-11-17 20:58                                   ` David Miller
2008-11-18  9:44                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-18 15:58                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-11-19  4:31                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-20  9:14                                         ` David Miller
2008-11-20  9:06                                       ` David Miller
2008-11-18 12:29                             ` Mike Galbraith
2008-11-17 19:57                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 20:20                           ` (avc_has_perm_noaudit()) " Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 20:32                           ` ip_queue_xmit(): " Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 20:57                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-18  9:12                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-11-17 20:47                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 20:56                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 20:55                           ` skb_release_head_state(): " Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 21:01                             ` David Miller
2008-11-17 21:04                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 21:34                             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-11-17 21:38                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 21:09                           ` tcp_ack(): " Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 21:19                           ` tcp_recvmsg(): " Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 21:26                           ` eth_type_trans(): " Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 21:40                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 23:41                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-18  0:01                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-11-18  8:35                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 21:52                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-11-18  5:16                             ` David Miller
2008-11-18  5:35                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-18  7:00                                 ` David Miller
2008-11-18  8:30                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-18  8:49                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 21:35                           ` __inet_lookup_established(): " Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 22:14                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 21:59                           ` system_call() - " Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 22:09                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-11-17 22:08                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 22:15                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-17 22:26                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 22:39                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-18  5:23                               ` David Miller
2008-11-18  8:45                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 22:14                           ` tcp_transmit_skb() - " Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 22:19                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 19:36                 ` David Miller
2008-11-17 19:31             ` David Miller
2008-11-17 19:47               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-11-17 19:51                 ` David Miller
2008-11-17 19:53                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 22:47               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-17 19:21         ` David Miller
2008-11-17 19:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-11-17 19:52             ` David Miller
2008-11-17 19:57               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-11-17 20:18                 ` David Miller
2008-11-19 19:43     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-19 20:14       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-20 23:52       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-21  8:30         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-21  8:51           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-21  9:05             ` David Miller
2008-11-21 12:51               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-21 15:13                 ` [PATCH] fs: pipe/sockets/anon dentries should not have a parent Eric Dumazet
2008-11-21 15:21                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-21 15:28                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-21 15:34                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-26 23:27                         ` [PATCH 0/6] fs: Scalability of sockets/pipes allocation/deallocation on SMP Eric Dumazet
2008-11-27  1:37                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-27  6:27                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-27 14:44                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-27  9:39                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-28 18:03                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-28 18:47                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-29  6:38                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-29  8:07                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-29  8:43                           ` [PATCH v2 0/5] " Eric Dumazet
2008-12-11 22:38                             ` [PATCH v3 0/7] " Eric Dumazet
2008-12-11 22:38                             ` [PATCH v3 1/7] fs: Use a percpu_counter to track nr_dentry Eric Dumazet
2007-07-24  1:24                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-16 21:04                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-12-11 22:39                             ` [PATCH v3 2/7] fs: Use a percpu_counter to track nr_inodes Eric Dumazet
2007-07-24  1:30                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-12  5:11                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-12-16 21:10                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-12-11 22:39                             ` [PATCH v3 3/7] fs: Introduce a per_cpu last_ino allocator Eric Dumazet
2007-07-24  1:34                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-16 21:26                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-12-11 22:39                             ` [PATCH v3 4/7] fs: Introduce SINGLE dentries for pipes, socket, anon fd Eric Dumazet
2008-12-16 21:40                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-12-11 22:40                             ` [PATCH v3 5/7] fs: new_inode_single() and iput_single() Eric Dumazet
2008-12-16 21:41                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-12-11 22:40                             ` [PATCH v3 6/7] fs: struct file move from call_rcu() to SLAB_DESTROY_BY_RCU Eric Dumazet
2007-07-24  1:13                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-12  2:50                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-12-12  4:45                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-12-12 16:48                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-12-13  2:07                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-12-17 20:25                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-12-13  1:41                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-12-11 22:41                             ` [PATCH v3 7/7] fs: MS_NOREFCOUNT Eric Dumazet
2008-11-29  8:43                           ` [PATCH v2 1/5] fs: Use a percpu_counter to track nr_dentry Eric Dumazet
2008-11-29  8:43                           ` [PATCH v2 2/5] fs: Use a percpu_counter to track nr_inodes Eric Dumazet
2008-11-29  8:44                           ` [PATCH v2 3/5] fs: Introduce a per_cpu last_ino allocator Eric Dumazet
2008-11-29  8:44                           ` [PATCH v2 4/5] fs: Introduce SINGLE dentries for pipes, socket, anon fd Eric Dumazet
2008-11-29 10:38                             ` Jörn Engel
2008-11-29 11:14                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-29  8:45                           ` [PATCH v2 5/5] fs: new_inode_single() and iput_single() Eric Dumazet
2008-11-29 11:14                             ` Jörn Engel
2008-11-26 23:30                         ` [PATCH 1/6] fs: Introduce a per_cpu nr_dentry Eric Dumazet
2008-11-27  9:41                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-26 23:32                         ` [PATCH 3/6] fs: Introduce a per_cpu last_ino allocator Eric Dumazet
2008-11-27  9:46                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-26 23:32                         ` [PATCH 4/6] fs: Introduce a per_cpu nr_inodes Eric Dumazet
2008-11-27  9:32                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27  9:39                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-27  9:48                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-27 10:01                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-27 10:07                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-27 14:46                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-26 23:32                         ` [PATCH 5/6] fs: Introduce special inodes Eric Dumazet
2008-11-27  8:20                           ` David Miller
2008-11-26 23:32                         ` [PATCH 6/6] fs: Introduce kern_mount_special() to mount special vfs Eric Dumazet
2008-11-27  8:21                           ` David Miller
2008-11-27  9:53                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-27 10:04                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-27 10:10                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-28  9:26                           ` Al Viro
2008-11-28  9:34                             ` Al Viro
2008-11-28 18:02                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-28 18:58                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-11-28 22:20                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-28 22:37                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-28 22:43                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-21 15:36                   ` [PATCH] fs: pipe/sockets/anon dentries should not have a parent Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-21 17:58                     ` [PATCH] fs: pipe/sockets/anon dentries should have themselves as parent Eric Dumazet
2008-11-21 18:43                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-11-23  3:53                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-21  9:18             ` [Bug #11308] tbench regression on each kernel release from 2.6.22 -&gt; 2.6.28 Ingo Molnar
2008-11-21  9:03           ` David Miller
2008-11-21 16:11           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-21 18:06             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-21 18:16               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-21 18:19                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11543] kernel panic: softlockup in tick_periodic() ??? Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11404] BUG: in 2.6.23-rc3-git7 in do_cciss_intr Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-17 16:19   ` Randy Dunlap
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11569] Panic stop CPUs regression Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11664] acpi errors and random freeze on sony vaio sr Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11698] 2.6.27-rc7, freezes with &gt; 1 s2ram cycle Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11805] mounting XFS produces a segfault Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-17 14:44   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11836] Scheduler on C2D CPU and latest 2.6.27 kernel Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11795] ks959-sir dongle no longer works under 2.6.27 (REGRESSION) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11843] usb hdd problems with 2.6.27.2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 21:37   ` Luciano Rocha
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11876] RCU hang on cpu re-hotplug with 2.6.27rc8 Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11886] without serial console system doesn't poweroff Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:40 ` [Bug #11865] WOL for E100 Doesn't Work Anymore Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:41 ` [Bug #11983] iwlagn: wrong command queue 31, command id 0x0 Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:41 ` [Bug #12039] Regression: USB/DVB 2.6.26.8 --&gt; 2.6.27.6 Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-16 17:41 ` [Bug #12048] Regression in bonding between 2.6.26.8 and 2.6.27.6 Rafael J. Wysocki

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