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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@suse.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	ReiserFS Development List <reiserfs-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmail.fm>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] reiserfs: kill-the-BKL
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:35:22 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0904090831000.4583@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tz4x97uq.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>



On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Andi Kleen wrote:
>
> You have to be very careful with this. Mutexes can be slower than
> spinlocks (and the new BKL is a spinlock) in some situations, they
> typically schedule much more etc., which can be costly.

Actually, with the new adaptive spinning, that basically shouldn't be true 
any more. Or rather, you should need some really bad/unlucky situation for 
it to scheduler more than necessary, and if the locker _acts_ like a 
spinlock (ie it doesn't block while holding the lock), performance should 
approach a spinlock.

That said, there are definitely reasons why a mutex can be slower than the 
BKL, and the whole "BKL gets implicitly dropped at sleep time" is very 
high on that list of reasons. The sleeping patterns can be _very_ 
different with a mutex than with a BKL.

> Better would be to use spinlocks if possible. I guess you just would
> need to find all sleep points and wrap them with lock dropping?

I do agree that a filesystem should try to avoid sleeping locks if at all 
possible, especially on the paths that the VM uses for writeback. But on 
the other hand, I think the issue with reiserfs is just the bad latencies 
that the BKL can cause, and then it doesn't matter.

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-09 15:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-07  2:19 Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-07 11:24 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-07 13:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-07 21:34 ` Alexander Beregalov
2009-04-07 21:57   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-07 22:19     ` Alexander Beregalov
2009-04-08  0:42       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-09 15:15 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-09 15:35   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-04-09 18:40     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-09 19:36       ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-09 20:05         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-09 21:17         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-10  0:39           ` Bron Gondwana
2009-04-10 13:07             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-09 21:07   ` Ingo Molnar

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