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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	hpa@zytor.com, tglx@linutronix.de, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davej@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Fix quilt merge error in acpi-cpufreq.c
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:23:42 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0904151717040.4042@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090416000841.GA18185@elte.hu>



On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> Is there any other way for us to get the benefits of the impact 
> line, without actually adding one?
> 
> They are:
> 
>  - Better split-up patches from contributors.
> 
>  - Increased maintainer and developer attention on the effects of
>    patches.
> 
>  - Less time we have to spend on patches we get with impact-lines.
>    Both hpa and me reported this.
> 
>  - easy regression post-mortems

None of this has anything to do with "Impact:" per se, and everything to 
do with just trying to tach people to talk about their patches better.

By all means, when you see a patch that doesn't describe what it does or 
why it does so, ask people to say so.

Ask people "What's the impact of this patch?"

But don't ask them to then say

	Impact: cleanup.

Teach them to say

	This cleans up the code by doing xyz.

and yes, by all means teach people to write succint and to-the-point 
messages.

Teach people to not write a novel, but instead give them rules like:

 - the subject line has to descibe the over-all patch.

 - Then write a line or two that is about what the patch really does

 - if needed, write a longer detailed explanation with actual error 
   messages that it fixes etc.

Now THAT is somethign that I think we can all get behind. Example of a 
good patch log:

    kprobes: move EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL just after function definitions
    
    Clean up positions of EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL in kernel/kprobes.c according to
    checkpatch.pl.

wouldn't you agree? Adding a "Impact: cleanup" wouldn't do anything to it, 
except make it not read as good English any more.

I like seeing explanations that read well. 

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-16  0:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200904140159.n3E1x1K1014705@hera.kernel.org>
2009-04-14  2:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15  5:44   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 10:44     ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-15 15:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-15 16:26         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 16:46           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-15 17:00             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-15 17:19           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-15 18:47             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-15 19:43               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-15 20:07                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 20:32                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-15 21:03                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 21:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-15 22:40                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 23:08                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  0:08                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16  0:23                             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-04-16  0:38                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  0:50                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16  4:33                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-16  7:14                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16 15:24                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-04-15 23:49                       ` David Miller
2009-04-16 11:00                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-15 21:17                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-15 23:04                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 21:23                 ` David Miller
2009-04-15 22:48                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 23:11                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  0:44                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16  1:03                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  1:46                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16  2:22                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  7:23                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16  3:55                             ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-16  7:44                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16 15:41                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-04-16 13:04                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-04-16  2:00               ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-16  2:22                 ` Paul Gortmaker
2009-04-16  2:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  3:10                 ` Ray Lee
2009-04-16  7:56                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16 11:57                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-16 13:55                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-04-20  8:14                   ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-20 10:38                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22  4:18                       ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-21 19:37                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-04-22  1:58                       ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-16  1:27         ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-16  2:31           ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-16  8:02             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 15:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-15 15:22       ` Ali Gholami Rudi
2009-04-15 16:41       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found] <crh66-6nQ-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]   ` <crjhu-1lb-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <crkQl-3QL-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <crm5K-5NR-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <crmyK-6DP-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <crnXV-g5-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <croh9-VK-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]               ` <croTQ-1Jm-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                 ` <crqVM-4UC-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2009-04-16  5:46                   ` Niel Lambrechts

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