From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753783Ab0CEPTF (ORCPT ); Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:19:05 -0500 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:34564 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753645Ab0CEPTD (ORCPT ); Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:19:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 07:18:28 -0800 (PST) From: Linus Torvalds X-X-Sender: torvalds@localhost.localdomain To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= cc: Pekka Enberg , Ingo Molnar , Ben Skeggs , Dave Airlie , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jesse Barnes , dri-devel@lists.sf.net Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3 In-Reply-To: <4B90AFF3.3030100@pathscale.com> Message-ID: References: <20100304103655.0b14343f@jbarnes-piketon> <20100304105624.70fe845e@jbarnes-piketon> <21d7e9971003041125x1aee3b3ew1e407ca6695e10fc@mail.gmail.com> <21d7e9971003041406n53d9cae0h53374abf3dca494e@mail.gmail.com> <1267748927.3496.6.camel@nisroch> <20100305064955.GA6453@elte.hu> <84144f021003042306w2e017efbva2be364c1c4980a7@mail.gmail.com> <4B90AFF3.3030100@pathscale.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, "C. Bergström" wrote: > > staging != stable This really is being repeated, over and over. But it's irrelevant. It's irrelevant because it's just a bad _excuse_. That driver is used in production environments. That's _reality_. The whole "staging" thing is nothing more than a meaningless word. And no, "staging" wasn't why it was merged. The reason it was merged was that very same "reality". So every time somebody mentions staging as an argument, he's missing the whole effing point. It also misses the point that the issues I've tried to bring up (bisection, testability) are real _technical_ arguments. Again, waving that "staging" flag is just stupid. It has nothing to do with the technical arguments, or with the reality of the situation. In other words, it's not just an excuse, it's a _meaningless_ excuse. It's a red herring. It's irrelevant to the issue. Linus