From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/30] semaphore cleanup
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:23:06 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1009072219400.2477@localhost6.localdomain6> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201009071938.17681.arnd@arndb.de>
Arnd,
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 September 2010 17:38:33 Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > Some of those can be converted to completions, but most of them have
> > utterly borked semantics. I'm not sure if its worth the trouble to
> > actually change all this as most of that stuff is ancient. Real
> > semaphores are not going away (at least not the counting type ones).
>
> Ok. I thought I had seen a series from Ingo some time ago that actually
> converted all of them to something else, but maybe I was mistaken.
>
> Not sure if there is anything to be gained (other than more work) from
> merging semaphore and rw_semaphore into a single implementation that
> is both counting and read-write.
>
> One problem I see (not with your series, just with semaphores in
> general) is that they keep creeping in through drivers/staging: About
> half the users we currently have are in staging. Obviously they get
> removed from there in order for drivers to graduate from staging, but
> not exposing the interface to device drivers would reduce the number
> of bad choices for authors to make.
sure, but most of them are really the init_MUTEX[_LOCKED] type which
has been copied over and over again for almost a decade.
That's going away, so people are actually forced to look into the
alternative solutions. And I do not worry too much about staging/*
Thanks,
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-09-07 20:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-07 14:31 Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:31 ` [patch 01/30] semaphore: Add DEFINE_SEMAPHORE Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:31 ` [patch 02/30] input: misc/hp_sdc_rtc: semaphore cleanup Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-08 15:37 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-10-12 15:49 ` [tip:core/locking] input: Misc/hp_sdc_rtc: " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 03/30] input: serio/hil_mlc: " Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-12 15:49 ` [tip:core/locking] input: Serio/hil_mlc: " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 04/30] input: serio/hp_sdc: " Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-12 15:49 ` [tip:core/locking] input: Serio/hp_sdc: " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 05/30] net: 3c527: " Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 16:28 ` David Miller
2010-10-12 15:50 ` [tip:core/locking] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 06/30] hamradio: 6pack: " Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 16:28 ` David Miller
2010-10-12 15:50 ` [tip:core/locking] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 07/30] hamradio: mkiss: " Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 16:28 ` David Miller
2010-10-12 15:50 ` [tip:core/locking] hamradio: Mkiss: " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 08/30] net: ppp_async: " Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 16:28 ` David Miller
2010-10-12 15:51 ` [tip:core/locking] net: Ppp_async: " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 09/30] net: wan/cosa.c: Convert "mutex" to semaphore Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 16:29 ` David Miller
2010-10-12 15:51 ` [tip:core/locking] net: Wan/cosa.c: " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 10/30] irda: semaphore cleanup Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 16:29 ` David Miller
2010-10-12 15:51 ` [tip:core/locking] irda: Semaphore cleanup tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 11/30] parport: semaphore cleanup Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-12 15:52 ` [tip:core/locking] parport: Semaphore cleanup tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 12/30] ibmphp-hpc: semaphore cleanup Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-09 20:42 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 13/30] usb: ftdi-elan: Convert "mutex" to semaphore Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 14/30] scsi: aacraid semaphore cleanup Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 15/30] smbfs: Convert server->sem to mutex Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-10 12:46 ` Jeff Layton
2010-09-07 14:32 ` [patch 16/30] hpfs: Convert sbi->hpfs_creation_de " Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-30 8:16 ` [tip:core/locking] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 17/30] hpfsplus: Convert tree_lock " Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 18/30] hfs: " Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-12 15:53 ` [tip:core/locking] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 19/30] affs: use sema_init instead of init_MUTEX Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-12 15:54 ` [tip:core/locking] affs: Use " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 20/30] xfs: semaphore cleanup Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 21/30] mmc: Convert "mutex" to semaphore Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-14 12:47 ` Chris Ball
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 22/30] dvb: " Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 23/30] infiniband: Make user_mad semaphore a real one Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-29 3:53 ` Roland Dreier
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 24/30] ia64: salinfo: sema_init instead of init_MUTEX Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 25/30] drivers/macintosh/adb: Do not claim that the semaphore is a mutex Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-12 15:52 ` [tip:core/locking] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 26/30] printk: Make console_sem a semaphore not a pseudo mutex Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-12 15:53 ` [tip:core/locking] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 27/30] staging: Bulk convert the semaphore mess Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-08 2:30 ` Greg KH
2010-09-08 8:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-08 9:11 ` Greg KH
2010-09-13 18:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-08 2:35 ` Greg KH
2010-10-30 10:16 ` [tip:core/locking] staging: Final semaphore cleanup tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 28/30] arm: bcmring: " Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-12 15:53 ` [tip:core/locking] arm: Bcmring: " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 14:33 ` [patch 29/30] hwmon: s3c-hwmon: Use a real mutex Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-08 13:39 ` Jean Delvare
2010-09-07 14:34 ` [patch 30/30] semaphore: Remove mutex emulation Thomas Gleixner
2010-10-30 10:16 ` [tip:core/locking] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 15:27 ` [patch 00/30] semaphore cleanup Arnd Bergmann
2010-09-07 15:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-07 17:38 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-09-07 20:23 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2010-09-07 20:40 ` Arnd Bergmann
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