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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: David Ahern <daahern@cisco.com>
Cc: linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	acme@ghostprotocols.net, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	John Stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] perf record: add time-of-day option
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:28:18 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103021821080.2701@localhost6.localdomain6> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D6E5413.6060500@cisco.com>

On Wed, 2 Mar 2011, David Ahern wrote:
> On 03/02/2011 07:16 AM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > How does all that deal with CLOCK_REALTIME being affected by NTP and
> > settimeofday? Not really, as far as I can tell. It somehow works, but
> > that depends on the frequency of your event injection.
> 
> It is sampled at some periodic rate to get NTP changes. Right now it is
> hardcoded at once an hour. The frequency option can be added to the
> --tod parameter.

Once an hour. Brilliant. And how do you correlated that when
settimeofday was called 5 times in between the samples. Not at all.

> > 
> > To be honest, that's just too much churn for a feature which is single
> > purpose and questionable functionality.
> > 
> > It would be far more interesting to have trace points in the
> > timekeeping code, which are useful for other things as well
> > (e.g. precise monitoring of NTP) and provide always a correct
> > association with the trace clock. That would cover everything from
> > frequency adjustments, clock setting including the information about
> > the relation to clock monotonic.
> 
> I'm not looking to track ntp changes. I want time-of-day strings on
> sample dumps. That is not a questionable feature request; it is a
> usability enhancement.

Sigh, did you even read what I wrote? 

I did not say, that YOU have to track NTP changes.

And I fully understood that you want to correlate perf time
stamps with CLOCK_REALTIME.

Neither did I say, that this is a questionable feature request.

I merily objected to add functionality which is half baken and only
particular useful.

Further I made a suggestion to add trace points to the time keeping
code instead, which

      - solve your problem
      - are useful for other purposes
      - do not require ioctls, timer driven sw events

Thanks,

	tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-02 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-28  3:52 [PATCH 0/6 v3] perf events: Add realtime clock event, time-of-day strings to script output David Ahern
2011-02-28  3:52 ` [PATCH 1/6] perf events: Introduce realtime clock event David Ahern
2011-02-28  3:52 ` [PATCH 2/6] perf events: plumbing for PERF_SAMPLE_READ and read_format David Ahern
2011-02-28  3:52 ` [PATCH 3/6] perf record: add time-of-day option David Ahern
2011-03-01 14:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-01 14:35     ` David Ahern
2011-03-01 15:35       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-01 15:41         ` David Ahern
2011-03-01 16:00           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-01 16:09             ` David Ahern
2011-03-01 16:37               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-01 16:45                 ` David Ahern
2011-03-01 17:07                   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2011-03-01 17:09                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2011-03-01 22:28                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-01 22:35                     ` David Ahern
2011-03-02 14:16   ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-03-02 14:28     ` David Ahern
2011-03-02 17:28       ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2011-03-03 14:29         ` David Ahern
2011-03-03  8:51       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-03 14:33         ` David Ahern
2011-02-28  3:52 ` [PATCH 4/6] perf script: dump software events too David Ahern
2011-03-01 14:09   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-03-01 14:18     ` David Ahern
2011-03-01 15:11       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-03-01 16:11         ` David Ahern
2011-03-01 16:24           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-03-01 16:49           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2011-02-28  3:52 ` [PATCH 5/6] perf script: Prepend lines with time-of-day string David Ahern
2011-02-28  3:52 ` [PATCH 6/6] perf stat: treat realtime-clock as nsec counter David Ahern
2011-02-28  3:55 ` [PATCH 0/6 v3] perf events: Add realtime clock event, time-of-day strings to script output David Ahern

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