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From: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
To: Trinabh Gupta <trinabh@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/9] x86 idle cruft removal - v2
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 03:21:09 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1103310309120.8774@x980> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D942191.2080408@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

> > What is next:
> > 
> > handle c1e_idle() vs default_idle()
> > 	run-time check for AMD workaround enable as part of default_idle?
> > give xen_arch_setup default_idle() w/o having it touch pm_idle
> > 	perhaps it can simply set a flag to disable cpuidle...
> > 		which is what would run if the xen kernel were
> > 		booted on raw iron.  Or can we handle this
> > 		at compile time?
> 
> I guess it may be good to have a method to override cpuidle and
> force it to call default_idle from inside cpuidle_idle_call(). This
> could be useful for users other than xen in future. Ofcourse this override
> should not touch pm_idle (which would be removed anyway).

Actually what I was thinking was the ability to disable cpuidle
altogether via cmdline.  ie a run-time equivalent of CONFIG_CPU_IDLE=n.
eg. "cpuidle=0"  In that case cpu_idle_call() would return error
and we'd have:

cpu_idle()
	if (cpu_idle_call())
		default_idle()

This is also a clean way for CONFIG_CPU_IDLE=n to work.

> Provision is already there to call default_idle from inside
> cpuidle_idle_call(); we can use that after checking a flag?? Can
> we use something like boot_option_idle_override? Or set/unset
> flag through an API?

I think it is strange for cpuidle to turn around and
call back to default_idle().  I'd like to see if we can
keep knowledge of default_idle() inside process.c.
If cpuidle can't do better than default_idle()
then it sholdn't be running...

> > delete pm_idle
> > 	x86 will then use default_idle or cpuidle
> > allow cpuidle to use default_idle to handle the period
> > 	where it polls because cpus have not yet registered
> 
> If we remove pm_idle and directly call cpuidle, the
> check already exists to call default_idle until a cpuidle
> driver (and cpus) is registered.

it isn't working.
If it were, then we'd not see any polling in the cpuidle stats.

cheers,
-Len


  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-31  7:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-24  7:08 [PATCH 0/5] x86 idle cruft removal Len Brown
2011-03-24  7:08 ` [PATCH 1/5] x86 idle: remove "no-hlt" cmdline param Len Brown
2011-03-24  7:08   ` [PATCH 2/5] x86 idle: remove NOP cpuinfo_x86.hlt_works_ok flag Len Brown
2011-03-24  7:08   ` [PATCH 3/5] x86 idle: remove NOP halt_works() Len Brown
2011-03-24  7:08   ` [PATCH 4/5] x86 idle floppy: delete disable_hlt()/enable_hlt() Len Brown
2011-03-24 15:58     ` Andi Kleen
2011-03-24  7:08   ` [PATCH 5/5] x86 idle: remove NOP hlt_use_halt() Len Brown
2011-03-25 19:02     ` [linux-pm] " Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2011-03-31  6:03 ` [PATCH 0/9] x86 idle cruft removal - v2 Len Brown
2011-03-31  6:03   ` [PATCH 1/9] x86 idle: remove "no-hlt" cmdline param Len Brown
2011-03-31  6:03     ` [PATCH 2/9] x86 idle: remove NOP cpuinfo_x86.hlt_works_ok flag Len Brown
2011-03-31  6:12       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-31  7:02         ` Len Brown
2011-03-31  8:18           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-31  9:23             ` Alan Cox
2011-03-31  9:27               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-31  9:33                 ` Alan Cox
2011-03-31  9:35                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-31 14:19                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-03-31 14:41                       ` Alan Cox
2011-03-31 15:09                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-03-31 18:07             ` Len Brown
2011-03-31 18:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-03-31  6:03     ` [PATCH 3/9] x86 idle: remove NOP halt_works() Len Brown
2011-03-31  6:03     ` [PATCH 4/9] x86 idle floppy: delete disable_hlt()/enable_hlt() Len Brown
2011-03-31  6:03     ` [PATCH 5/9] x86 idle: remove NOP hlt_use_halt() Len Brown
2011-03-31  6:03     ` [PATCH 6/9] x86 idle APM: delete apm_cpu_idle(), and its use of (pm_idle)() Len Brown
2011-03-31  6:03     ` [PATCH 7/9] x86 idle: do not EXPORT_SYMBOL pm_idle and default_idle Len Brown
2011-03-31  6:03     ` [PATCH 8/9] x86 idle: move mwait_idle_with_hints() to where it is used Len Brown
2011-03-31  6:03     ` [PATCH 9/9] x86 idle: delete mwait_idle() Len Brown
2011-04-01 11:02       ` Andreas Herrmann
2011-03-31  6:39   ` [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/9] x86 idle cruft removal - v2 Trinabh Gupta
2011-03-31  7:21     ` Len Brown [this message]
2011-03-31  9:45   ` Alan Cox
2011-03-31 10:28     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-01  4:24   ` Len Brown
2011-04-01  9:38     ` [linux-pm] " Trinabh Gupta
2011-04-01 18:33       ` Len Brown
2011-04-02  6:22     ` idle cleanup - v3 Len Brown
2011-04-02  6:22       ` [PATCH 01/18] cpuidle: menu: fixed wrapping timers at 4.294 seconds Len Brown
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 02/18] x86 idle floppy: deprecate disable_hlt() Len Brown
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 03/18] x86 idle APM: deprecate CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE Len Brown
2011-04-02 11:28           ` Alan Cox
2011-04-02 18:28             ` Len Brown
2011-04-02 19:44               ` Alan Cox
2011-04-08  6:22               ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 04/18] x86 idle: EXPORT_SYMBOL(default_idle, pm_idle) only when APM demands it Len Brown
2011-04-02 11:28           ` Alan Cox
2011-04-02 12:21             ` [linux-pm] " Trinabh Gupta
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 05/18] x86 idle: deprecate "no-hlt" cmdline param Len Brown
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 06/18] x86 idle: deprecate mwait_idle() and "idle=mwait" " Len Brown
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 07/18] x86 idle: clarify AMD erratum 400 workaround Len Brown
2011-04-02  8:23           ` Borislav Petkov
2011-04-02 19:19             ` Len Brown
2011-04-02 19:22               ` [PATCH 07/18] x86 idle: clarify AMD erratum 400 workaround -v2 Len Brown
2011-04-03  9:00                 ` Borislav Petkov
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 08/18] cpuidle: create bootparam "cpuidle.off=1" Len Brown
2011-07-15 11:27           ` [linux-pm] " Deepthi Dharwar
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 09/18] cpuidle: replace xen access to x86 pm_idle and default_idle Len Brown
2011-04-04 15:33           ` [Xen-devel] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 10/18] x86 idle: move mwait_idle_with_hints() to where it is used Len Brown
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 11/18] cpuidle: stop using pm_idle Len Brown
2011-04-25 10:41           ` [linux-pm] " Trinabh Gupta
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 12/18] 2.6.40: x86 idle: remove deprecated "no-hlt" cmdline param Len Brown
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 13/18] 2.6.40: x86 idle: remove deprecated "hlt_bug: no" in 32-bit /proc/cpuinfo Len Brown
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 14/18] 2.6.40: x86 idle floppy: remove deprecated disable_hlt()/enable_hlt() Len Brown
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 15/18] 2.6.40: x86 idle: remove deprecated hlt_use_halt() Len Brown
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 16/18] 2.6.40: x86 idle APM: remove deprecated apm_cpu_idle() Len Brown
2011-04-02 11:40           ` Alan Cox
2011-04-02 19:44             ` Len Brown
2011-04-02 21:00               ` Alan Cox
2011-04-03  2:48                 ` [linux-pm] " Trinabh Gupta
2011-04-04 10:05                   ` Alan Cox
2011-04-02  6:22         ` [PATCH 17/18] 2.6.40: x86 idle: do not export default_idle() and (pm_idle)() Len Brown
2011-04-02  6:23         ` [PATCH 18/18] 2.6.40: x86 idle: remove deprecated mwait_idle() Len Brown

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