From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: werner <w.landgraf@ru.ru>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [block IO crash] Re: 2.6.39-rc5-git2 boot crashs
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 00:27:20 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1105052329440.3005@ionos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <web-518814410@zbackend1.aha.ru>
On Thu, 5 May 2011, werner wrote:
> 90% of the config options, users don't know for what they are. Instead of
> more and more new config features in, EVERY CONFIG PARAMETER WHAT THE KERNEL
> CAN DETECT AT RUN TIME (at the beginning of booting) SHOULD BE THROWED OUT.
> And the kernel should be compiled 'everythingyes' as default. Even then,
> with all exotic (but nowadays happening) boot-necessary input/output hardware
> included, my vmlinuz is only 10 MB big. Sufficient memory for run this
> (together with an initrd for an installer) nowadays should exist on almost all
> computers. All other, not-boot necessary modules are perhaps 50 MB, and since
> the Atari time with 20 MB harddisks passed, there is NO REASON FOR COMPILE
> SMALL THE KERNEL. Even on Android phones, compiling the kernel / modules 50 MB
> big but using often only a part, dont hurt. But for emergency, instead of
> completely configless, one could let 2 options for the kernel config: normal,
> small (below 16 M memory). Provisorically, one could but one should not
> include such a raw-selection menu in the kernel config, because to check and
> maintain the dependences of their various single config parameters would be
> big extra work. Instead of this, one should rigorously make more and more
> config parameters definitively obsolete and reduce them by improving the
> corresponding runtime ability of the kernel.
Have a look outside of the x86 and "smartphone brag with your GBs of
RAM" world and you'll see that there are
- systems which really care about size reductions which are measured
in kilobytes.
- systems where runtime detection is impossible
- systems where runtime detection is complete overkill in various
aspects: boottime, memory footprint ...
And you CANNOT put those requirements under a single CONFIG_VERY_SMALL=y
fits it all thing simply because embedded devices have those fundamental
different requirements vs. drivers, filesystems ....
Aside of that config options are a pretty useful mechanism to debug
problems.
And in the context of that particular case you are barking up the
completely wrong tree. The facts that
- slub used the wrong macro
- the CONFIG dependent x86 implementation of that this_cpu_* mess was
crap to begin with
are not an argument at all to go and impose a 100MB/50MB/16MB or
whatever arbitrary choice you make limit of CONFIG_FITS_IT_ALL_*
approach.
That simply does not work.
Thanks,
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-05 22:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-02 22:28 werner
2011-05-02 23:24 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <web-516990066@zbackend1.aha.ru>
2011-05-03 15:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-03 19:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-03 20:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-03 20:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-03 20:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-03 21:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-03 22:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-05-04 7:19 ` Borislav Petkov
2011-05-04 7:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 7:55 ` Borislav Petkov
2011-05-04 8:35 ` [block IO crash] " Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 9:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-04 10:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 10:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 10:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 12:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 12:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 11:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-04 11:16 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-04 11:27 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-04 12:51 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-04 12:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 13:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-04 13:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-04 13:20 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-04 14:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-04 14:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 14:36 ` [PATCH] slub: Fix the lockless code on 32-bit platforms with no 64-bit cmpxchg Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 14:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-04 16:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 21:52 ` Ben Greear
2011-05-04 22:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-04 22:22 ` Ben Greear
2011-05-04 14:19 ` [block IO crash] Re: 2.6.39-rc5-git2 boot crashs Christoph Lameter
2011-05-04 14:25 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-04 14:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-04 15:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 14:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-04 15:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-04 15:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-04 15:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-04 15:37 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-04 15:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-04 18:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-04 18:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-04 19:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-04 19:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-04 19:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-04 20:04 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-04 20:21 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-05-04 20:32 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-04 20:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 21:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-04 21:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-04 21:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-05 9:54 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-05 10:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-05 10:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-05 18:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-05 19:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-05 19:53 ` werner
2011-05-05 20:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-05 21:12 ` werner
2011-05-05 22:27 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
[not found] ` <web-518008166@zbackend1.aha.ru>
[not found] ` <web-518059420@zbackend1.aha.ru>
[not found] ` <20110505060204.GA28015@elte.hu>
2011-05-05 6:46 ` werner
2011-05-04 15:37 ` [block IO crash] " Linus Torvalds
2011-05-04 16:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-04 16:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 17:12 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-04 15:41 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-04 13:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 14:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-04 14:04 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-04 14:07 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-04 14:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-05-04 10:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 10:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 10:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 11:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 12:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-04 12:47 ` Ingo Molnar
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