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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/5] Introduce checks for preemptable code for this_cpu_read/write()
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:32:17 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1109211828080.2723@ionos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109211007450.12914@router.home>

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> 
> > BTW, Can you explain to me where the this_cpu_*() ops were designed to
> > be used? The only places where "this_cpu_*()" is used in slub.c and
> > page_alloc.c have irqs disabled on their use. I thought this was for
> > slub and page_alloc?
> 
> Initially these were used for statistics that used per cpu counters. The
> slub thing was an outgrow of this.
> 
> > Is this_cpu() made just for statistics? I see it used in the inode code
> > for that, and some accounting in the namespace.c code.
> 
> That is the main use case yes.
> 
> > Note and there's places all over the kernel that uses this_cpu_read()
> > and thinks preemption should be disabled. Just look at
> > arch/x86/mm/tlb.c:
> >
> > 	/* Caller has disabled preemption */
> > 	sender = this_cpu_read(tlb_vector_offset);
> >
> > Why the comment?
> >
> > My argument is that this_cpu_* is just confusing. Rename your use case
> > and keep this_cpu_*() as what you want __this_cpu_*() to be.
> 
> Thought about this a bit last night. I think the main issue are these
> this_cpu_read() and this_cpu_write() operations since people use those
> irresponsibly. It usually does not make sense to read a value from a
> random cpu nor does writing make sense. The situation is different for
> per cpu counter increments where it does not matter which cpus counter is
> incremented since we sum them up later anyways.
> 
> How about getting rid of this_cpu_read() and this_cpu_write() entirely?
> 
> Only allow __this_cpu_read and __this_cpu_write. There we check that the
> caller has disabled preemption.
> 
> For the rare special cases (are there any?) that are legitimate use cases
> for this_cpu_read/write we can use manual determination of per cpu
> pointers and then just do a load via the pointer?
> 
> Or alternatively give this_cpu_read and write special names that make
> their dangerousness clear.
> 
> In the case of slub there are only some this_cpu_write() things that can
> be __this_cpu_write without a problem.
> 
> The __this_cpu_ptr() can become this_cpu_ptr as far as I can tell. This
> should make it consistent so that we can check for disabled preemption for
> all __this_cpu thingies.
 
The problem I have with that approach is that this_cpu_inc/dec still
look too close to __this_cpu_*.

It would really be nice to rename this_cpu_inc/dec to something which
makes it clear that this is statistics and does not care a whit about
the actual cpu on which this happens.

Thanks,

	tglx

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-09-21 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-19 21:20 Steven Rostedt
2011-09-19 21:20 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/5] x86: Remove const_udelay() caring about which cpu var it uses Steven Rostedt
2011-09-19 21:51   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-19 23:31     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-19 21:20 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/5] mm: Switch mod_state() to __this_cpu_read() Steven Rostedt
2011-09-19 22:02   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-19 23:48     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 14:46       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20 15:16         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 15:54           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20 16:07             ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 22:19             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-09-20 13:49     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-09-20 14:01       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 14:51       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20 15:11         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 15:59           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20 16:03             ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 16:07               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20 15:27         ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-09-20 16:02           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20 16:51             ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-09-20 17:08               ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-19 21:20 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/5] memcg: Disable preemption in memcg_check_events() Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 14:20   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-09-20 14:24     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-09-20 14:33       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-24  0:46   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-19 21:20 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/5] printk: Have wake_up_klogd() use __this_cpu_write() Steven Rostedt
2011-09-19 21:54   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-19 23:33     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 14:54       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20 14:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-19 21:20 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/5] percpu: Add preempt checks back into this_cpu_read/write() Steven Rostedt
2011-09-19 21:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/5] Introduce checks for preemptable code for this_cpu_read/write() Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20  3:06   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 12:44     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-09-20 13:51       ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-09-20 14:58         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20 15:17           ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 14:57       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20 15:19         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 16:08           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20 16:31             ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 16:56               ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 17:09                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-20 17:15                   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 17:25                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-09-20 18:03                       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 18:12                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-09-20 18:27                           ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 18:34                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-09-20 22:32             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-09-20 22:17           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-09-21  1:33             ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 15:46     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-09-20 16:00       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 16:10         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20 16:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-20 18:54           ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-21 15:16             ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-21 15:31               ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-21 15:59                 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-21 16:12                   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-21 16:32               ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2011-09-20  2:20 ` Andi Kleen
2011-09-20  3:12   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20  3:17     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20  8:32     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-09-20 12:10       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-09-20 15:03       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-09-20 15:07         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-20 16:05           ` Christoph Lameter

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