From: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Matthew Garrett <matthewgarrett@google.com>,
LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Chun-Yi Lee <jlee@suse.com>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 23/27] bpf: Restrict kernel image access functions when the kernel is locked down
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:15:46 +1100 (AEDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.21.1903281403540.27561@namei.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUZ+oP0xxNt4mwN=AZA+zvkkfPZiAsFmAuqUD48pOHbBg@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >
> > kernel_is_locked_down("ioperm")
> >
> > becomes
> >
> > kernel_is_locked_down(LOCKDOWN_IOPERM)
> >
> > and this function checks e.g.
> >
> > if (lockdown_polcy[id]) {
> > fail or warn;
> > }
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> I'm concerned that this gives too much useless flexibility to
> administrators and user code in general. If you can break kernel
> integrity, you can break kernel integrity -- it shouldn't really
> matter *how* you break it.
OTOH, this seems like a combination of mechanism and policy. The 3 modes
are a help here, but I wonder if they may be too coarse grained still,
e.g. if someone wants to allow a specific mechanism according to their own
threat model and mitigations.
Secure boot gives you some assurance of the static state of the system at
boot time, and lockdown is certainly useful (with or without secure boot),
but it's not a complete solution to runtime kernel integrity protection by
any stretch of the imagination. I'm concerned about it being perceived as
such.
I'm not sure how to think about it architecturally and how it fits as such
in the mainline kernel.
--
James Morris
<jmorris@namei.org>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-03-28 3:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-03-25 22:09 [PULL REQUEST] Lockdown patches for 5.2 Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 01/27] Add the ability to lock down access to the running kernel image Matthew Garrett
2019-03-26 5:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 02/27] Enforce module signatures if the kernel is locked down Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 03/27] Restrict /dev/{mem,kmem,port} when " Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 04/27] kexec_load: Disable at runtime if " Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 05/27] Copy secure_boot flag in boot params across kexec reboot Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 06/27] kexec_file: split KEXEC_VERIFY_SIG into KEXEC_SIG and KEXEC_SIG_FORCE Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 07/27] kexec_file: Restrict at runtime if the kernel is locked down Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 08/27] hibernate: Disable when " Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 09/27] uswsusp: " Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 10/27] PCI: Lock down BAR access " Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 11/27] x86: Lock down IO port " Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 12/27] x86/msr: Restrict MSR " Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 23:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 13/27] ACPI: Limit access to custom_method " Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 14/27] acpi: Ignore acpi_rsdp kernel param when the kernel has been " Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 15/27] acpi: Disable ACPI table override if the kernel is " Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 16/27] acpi: Disable APEI error injection " Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 17/27] Prohibit PCMCIA CIS storage when " Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 18/27] Lock down TIOCSSERIAL Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 19/27] Lock down module params that specify hardware parameters (eg. ioport) Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 20/27] x86/mmiotrace: Lock down the testmmiotrace module Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 23:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 21/27] Lock down /proc/kcore Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 22/27] Lock down kprobes Matthew Garrett
2019-03-26 12:29 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-26 17:41 ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-26 22:47 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 23/27] bpf: Restrict kernel image access functions when the kernel is locked down Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 23:42 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-03-25 23:59 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-03-26 0:00 ` Daniel Borkmann
2019-03-26 13:54 ` Jordan Glover
2019-03-26 0:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-26 18:57 ` James Morris
2019-03-26 19:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-28 3:15 ` James Morris [this message]
2019-03-28 18:07 ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-28 19:23 ` James Morris
2019-03-28 20:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-26 20:19 ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 24/27] Lock down perf Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 25/27] debugfs: Restrict debugfs when the kernel is locked down Matthew Garrett
2019-03-26 0:31 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-03-26 0:38 ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-26 0:43 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 26/27] lockdown: Print current->comm in restriction messages Matthew Garrett
2019-03-25 22:09 ` [PATCH 27/27] kexec: Allow kexec_file() with appropriate IMA policy when locked down Matthew Garrett
2019-03-26 15:33 ` Mimi Zohar
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