From: Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>, Jessica Yu <jeyu@redhat.com>,
Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] livepatch/rcu: Warn when system consistency is broken in RCU code
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 14:50:00 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.20.1705111440580.20501@pobox.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170508161816.4243340e@gandalf.local.home>
On Mon, 8 May 2017, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Mon, 8 May 2017 14:47:29 -0500
> Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > > Although you should have:
> > >
> > > if (WARN_ONCE(!rcu_is_watching,
> > > "Livepatch ..."))
> > > return;
> > >
> > > or something to not cause any damage.
> >
> > My understanding is that returning would be more dangerous than
> > continuing here.
> >
> > By continuing to run, there's only a small chance that it will get stale
> > data, which would break the consistency model by executing an old
> > version of the function and possibly crashing the system.
> >
> > On the other hand, returning would unconditionally break the consistency
> > model by *always* executing an old version of the function. So that
> > greatly increases the risk of a crash.
>
> I was being oversimplified by saying 'return', perhaps go into a
> critical mode that can try again, or perhaps even back out the patch.
> As in a transaction style. Yes, this will need to be thought through to
> know how to get out. My comment wasn't meant to be simple.
Well, live patching is in fact transactional. To some extent. If we fail
during ftrace registration we abort the action gracefully. After the
registration it gets more interesting because the whole system is
"asynchronously" migrated to a final patched state. Even during this stage
we can reverse the process (klp_reverse_transition()), but it was not easy
to get it right...
... and to implement or start this logic from the handler sends shivers
down my spine.
We still can try.
Thanks,
Miroslav
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-05-11 12:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-05-04 10:55 [PATCH 0/3] livepatch/rcu: Handle some subtle issues between livepatching and RCU Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 10:55 ` [PATCH 1/3] livepatch/rcu: Guarantee consistency when patching idle kthreads Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 10:55 ` [PATCH 2/3] livepatch/rcu: Warn when system consistency is broken in RCU code Petr Mladek
2017-05-08 16:51 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 19:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-08 19:47 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 20:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 20:43 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 20:51 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 21:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 21:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 21:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-08 21:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 22:16 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 22:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-09 16:18 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-09 16:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-10 16:04 ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-10 16:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-10 17:58 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-11 12:40 ` Miroslav Benes
2017-05-11 15:03 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 21:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-08 20:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-11 12:50 ` Miroslav Benes [this message]
2017-05-11 13:52 ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-11 14:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-11 15:27 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-11 12:44 ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 10:55 ` [PATCH 3/3] livepatch/rcu: Disable livepatch removal when safety is not guaranteed Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 16:55 ` [PATCH 0/3] livepatch/rcu: Handle some subtle issues between livepatching and RCU Paul E. McKenney
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