From: Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
Joe Lawrence <joe.lawrence@redhat.com>,
live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Jessica Yu <jeyu@redhat.com>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] livepatch: add shadow variable sample program
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:56:37 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.20.1706191844100.5419@pobox.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170615134927.n53bn3ckizi6anhi@treble>
> > > I often wonder whether it's really a good idea to even allow the
> > > unloading of patch modules at all. It adds complexity to the livepatch
> > > code. Is it worth it? I don't have an answer but I'd be interested in
> > > other people's opinion.
> >
> > I could imagine a situation when a livepatch causes, for example,
> > performance, problems on a server because of the redirection
> > to the new code. Then it might be handy to disable the patch
> > and ftrace handlers completely.
>
> Fair enough, though it sounds theoretical. It would be good to know
> we're supporting actual real world use cases.
We distribute cumulative "replace_all" patches at SUSE. replace_all means
that all previous patches are reverted in the process of application. All
livepatch modules with zero refcount are removed. This keeps a number of
loaded modules low and system's state well defined, which is always a good
thing, because a customer might run into problems and we'd have to debug
it.
It is true that it is a limitation too. Especially for state changes and
data structure modifications. Sometimes it is easy to patch a system, but
impossible to unpatch it. Because we don't have a consistency on a state
level, only on a task/process level. But I perceive this also as an
advantage. I have to always know what a livepatch does exactly and I
discovered couple of problems just because I had to think about unloading
of modules.
Miroslav
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-06-19 16:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-06-01 18:25 [PATCH 0/3] livepatch: add shadow variable API Joe Lawrence
2017-06-01 18:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] livepatch: introduce " Joe Lawrence
2017-06-08 16:49 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-06-09 15:36 ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-09 18:34 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-06-12 13:49 ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-14 12:59 ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-14 13:17 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-06-14 14:26 ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-19 16:09 ` Miroslav Benes
2017-06-01 18:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] livepatch: add shadow variable documentation Joe Lawrence
2017-06-14 13:10 ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-01 18:25 ` [PATCH 3/3] livepatch: add shadow variable sample program Joe Lawrence
2017-06-09 18:38 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-06-09 19:05 ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-13 11:00 ` Miroslav Benes
2017-06-13 17:32 ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-14 7:45 ` Miroslav Benes
2017-06-14 14:21 ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-14 14:57 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-06-15 10:59 ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-15 13:49 ` Josh Poimboeuf
[not found] ` <20170615143800.d6f5p5bdm4ueecly@redhat.com>
2017-06-15 15:23 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-06-19 16:56 ` Miroslav Benes [this message]
2017-06-30 20:32 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-01 6:53 ` Miroslav Benes
2017-06-14 15:15 ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-19 16:43 ` Miroslav Benes
2017-06-01 20:05 ` [PATCH 0/3] livepatch: add shadow variable API Jiri Kosina
2017-06-01 20:23 ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-01 20:32 ` Jiri Kosina
2017-06-13 10:19 ` Miroslav Benes
2017-06-13 17:29 ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-14 8:02 ` Miroslav Benes
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