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From: Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Joe Lawrence <joe.lawrence@redhat.com>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jessica Yu <jeyu@redhat.com>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] livepatch: add shadow variable sample program
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:56:37 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.20.1706191844100.5419@pobox.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170615134927.n53bn3ckizi6anhi@treble>


> > > I often wonder whether it's really a good idea to even allow the
> > > unloading of patch modules at all.  It adds complexity to the livepatch
> > > code.  Is it worth it?  I don't have an answer but I'd be interested in
> > > other people's opinion.
> > 
> > I could imagine a situation when a livepatch causes, for example,
> > performance, problems on a server because of the redirection
> > to the new code. Then it might be handy to disable the patch
> > and ftrace handlers completely.
> 
> Fair enough, though it sounds theoretical.  It would be good to know
> we're supporting actual real world use cases.

We distribute cumulative "replace_all" patches at SUSE. replace_all means 
that all previous patches are reverted in the process of application. All 
livepatch modules with zero refcount are removed. This keeps a number of 
loaded modules low and system's state well defined, which is always a good 
thing, because a customer might run into problems and we'd have to debug 
it.

It is true that it is a limitation too. Especially for state changes and 
data structure modifications. Sometimes it is easy to patch a system, but 
impossible to unpatch it. Because we don't have a consistency on a state 
level, only on a task/process level. But I perceive this also as an 
advantage. I have to always know what a livepatch does exactly and I 
discovered couple of problems just because I had to think about unloading 
of modules.

Miroslav

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-06-19 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-01 18:25 [PATCH 0/3] livepatch: add shadow variable API Joe Lawrence
2017-06-01 18:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] livepatch: introduce " Joe Lawrence
2017-06-08 16:49   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-06-09 15:36     ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-09 18:34       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-06-12 13:49         ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-14 12:59   ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-14 13:17     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-06-14 14:26       ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-19 16:09     ` Miroslav Benes
2017-06-01 18:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] livepatch: add shadow variable documentation Joe Lawrence
2017-06-14 13:10   ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-01 18:25 ` [PATCH 3/3] livepatch: add shadow variable sample program Joe Lawrence
2017-06-09 18:38   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-06-09 19:05     ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-13 11:00   ` Miroslav Benes
2017-06-13 17:32     ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-14  7:45       ` Miroslav Benes
2017-06-14 14:21   ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-14 14:57     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-06-15 10:59       ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-15 13:49         ` Josh Poimboeuf
     [not found]           ` <20170615143800.d6f5p5bdm4ueecly@redhat.com>
2017-06-15 15:23             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-06-19 16:56           ` Miroslav Benes [this message]
2017-06-30 20:32             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-01  6:53               ` Miroslav Benes
2017-06-14 15:15     ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-19 16:43       ` Miroslav Benes
2017-06-01 20:05 ` [PATCH 0/3] livepatch: add shadow variable API Jiri Kosina
2017-06-01 20:23   ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-01 20:32     ` Jiri Kosina
2017-06-13 10:19     ` Miroslav Benes
2017-06-13 17:29       ` Joe Lawrence
2017-06-14  8:02         ` Miroslav Benes

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