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From: Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@akamai.com>,
	Joe Lawrence <joe.lawrence@redhat.com>,
	Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>,
	Evgenii Shatokhin <eshatokhin@virtuozzo.com>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 05/10] livepatch: Support separate list for replaced patches.
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 10:23:12 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.21.1804171018500.12184@pobox.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180416190425.tk7nnbqbmaxeniud@treble>


> > > > Second, unrelated patches must never patch the same functions.
> > > > Otherwise we would not be able to define which implementation
> > > > should be used. This is especially important when a patch is
> > > > removed and we need to fallback either to another patch or
> > > > original code. Yes, it makes perfect sense. But it needs code
> > > > that will check it, refuse loading the patch, ... It is not
> > > > complicated. But it is rather additional code than
> > > > simplification. I might make livepatching more safe
> > > > but probably not simplify the code.
> > > 
> > > We don't need to enforce that.  The func stack can stay.  If somebody
> > > wants to patch the same function multiple times (without using
> > > 'replace'), that's inadvisable, but it's also their business.  They're
> > > responsible for the tooling to ensure the patch stack order is sane.
> > 
> > 
> > While it might make sense to ignore the patch stack (ordering) for
> > the enable operation. Do we really want to ignore it when disabling
> > a patch.
> > 
> > By other words, do we want to allow disabling a patch that is in
> > the middle of the stack, only partly in use? Does not this allow
> > some other crazy scenarios? Is it really the user business?
> > Will it make our life easier?
> 
> If there's no longer a patch stack, then there's no concept of a middle.
> We would expect the patches to be independent of one another, and so
> disabling any of them independently would be harmless.
> 
> If any of the patches share a func, and the user disables one in the
> "middle", it's not our job to support that.  The vendor / patch author
> should prevent such cases from occurring with tooling, packaging,
> documentation, etc.  Or they can just use 'replace'.
> 
> We can already have similar unexpected situations today.  For example,
> what if patch B is a cumulative superset of patch A, but the user
> mistakenly loads patch A (without replace) *after* loading patch B?
> Then some unforeseen craziness could ensue.
> 
> We can't control all such scenarios (and that's ok), but we shouldn't
> pretend that we support them.

FWIW I agree with the above. Provided we keep the func stack.

[...]

> > The question is what to do with the stack of patches. It will have
> > no meaning for the enable operation because it will be done
> > automatically. But what about the disable/unregistrer operation?
> 
> Assuming we got rid of the patch stack, would we even need to keep a
> global list of patches anymore?

There are places we walk through the list of patches (klp_add_nops() in 
this patch set, klp_module_coming()), so probably yes.

Miroslav

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-17  8:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-07  8:20 [PATCH v10 00/10] livepatch: Atomic replace feature Petr Mladek
2018-03-07  8:20 ` [PATCH v10 01/10] livepatch: Use lists to manage patches, objects and functions Petr Mladek
2018-03-13 22:38   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-03-07  8:20 ` [PATCH v10 02/10] livepatch: Free only structures with initialized kobject Petr Mladek
2018-03-13 22:38   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-03-14 15:50     ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-07  8:20 ` [PATCH v10 03/10] livepatch: Initial support for dynamic structures Petr Mladek
2018-03-13 22:44   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-03-19 13:10     ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-07  8:20 ` [PATCH v10 04/10] livepatch: Allow to unpatch only functions of the given type Petr Mladek
2018-03-07  8:20 ` [PATCH v10 05/10] livepatch: Support separate list for replaced patches Petr Mladek
2018-03-13 22:46   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-03-19 15:02     ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-19 21:43       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-03-20 12:25         ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-20 12:48           ` Evgenii Shatokhin
2018-03-20 13:30           ` Miroslav Benes
2018-03-20 20:15           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-03-23  9:45             ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-23 22:44               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-03-26 10:11                 ` Petr Mladek
2018-04-06 19:50                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-04-10  8:34                     ` Petr Mladek
2018-04-10 13:21                       ` Miroslav Benes
2018-04-10 13:56                         ` Evgenii Shatokhin
2018-04-10 17:47                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-04-11  7:56                             ` Miroslav Benes
2018-04-10 17:42                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-04-11  8:07                         ` Miroslav Benes
2018-04-11 12:32                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-04-11 13:39                             ` Miroslav Benes
2018-04-11 14:17                             ` Petr Mladek
2018-04-11 15:48                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-04-16 14:58                                 ` Petr Mladek
2018-04-16 19:04                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-04-17  8:23                                     ` Miroslav Benes [this message]
2018-04-17 15:37                                     ` Petr Mladek
2018-04-17 17:57                                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-03-07  8:20 ` [PATCH v10 06/10] livepatch: Add atomic replace Petr Mladek
2018-03-13 22:48   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-03-20 14:35     ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-20 21:26       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-03-22 15:43         ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-07  8:20 ` [PATCH v10 07/10] livepatch: Correctly handle atomic replace for not yet loaded modules Petr Mladek
2018-03-13 14:55   ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-07  8:20 ` [PATCH v10 08/10] livepatch: Improve dynamic struct klp_object detection and manipulation Petr Mladek
2018-03-07  8:20 ` [PATCH v10 09/10] livepatch: Allow to replace even disabled patches Petr Mladek
2018-03-07  8:20 ` [PATCH v10 10/10] livepatch: Atomic replace and cumulative patches documentation Petr Mladek
2018-03-07 21:55 ` [PATCH v10 00/10] livepatch: Atomic replace feature Joe Lawrence
2018-03-08 15:01   ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-08 15:09     ` Joe Lawrence
2018-03-12 18:57       ` Joe Lawrence
2018-03-20 13:16         ` Miroslav Benes
2018-03-26 10:56         ` Petr Mladek
2018-03-26 18:12           ` Joe Lawrence
2018-03-27  8:22             ` Petr Mladek
2018-08-17 10:17 ` Evgenii Shatokhin
2018-08-17 14:53   ` Petr Mladek
2018-08-17 15:33     ` Evgenii Shatokhin

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