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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@igalia.com>
Cc: Tvrtko Ursulin via Kernel-dev <kernel-dev@igalia.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>,
	Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
	Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau@arm.com>, Chia-I Wu <olvaffe@gmail.com>,
	Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Chia-I Wu <olv@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v3 1/2] workqueue: Add support for real-time workers
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2026 09:05:30 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <amEUelR4oL_odDuq@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8dffe078-ca2e-4d01-96b3-f1709472ef1b@igalia.com>

Hello, sorry about the delay.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2026 at 11:06:55AM +0100, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
> > +	/*
> > +	 * Do not consume all CPUs with RT workers to avoid scheduler
> > +	 * starvation.
> > +	 */
> > +	if (pool->attrs->prio == WQ_PRIO_RT) {
> > +		unsigned int max = num_online_cpus();
> > +
> > +		if (max > 2)
> > +			max = max - 1;
> > +		else
> > +			max = 1;
> > +
> > +		if (atomic_inc_return(&total_rtpri_workers) > max) {
> > +			atomic_dec(&total_rtpri_workers);
> > +			return NULL;
> 
> Sashiko is warning me here this can create a deadlock when called from
> maybe_create_worker(). My apparently naive idea was that this would make it
> wait for a bit, until the load on the currently instantiated workers
> subsides, at which point need_to_create_worker() would say "not any more"
> and allow it to exit.
> 
> But even more importantly, it is also warning me that strict CPU affinity
> creates per CPU threads.
> 
> So my idea of global limit will just not work.
> 
> Tejun, how does this sound to you? Are you okay without having the global
> limit of RT threads?
> 
> I will await sending v4 with other fixes until we can close on this one. I
> also have some vacation pending so there may be a delay in my replies.

I don't think we need to limit the total number of workers. It's not a
meaningful protection anyway (is it ok if max-1 CPUs are pinned in RT?), the
DL server already provides forward progress protection, and it doesn't make
sense to design this assuming malicious / incompetent users.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-22 19:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-17  9:02 [RFC v3 0/2] Realtime workqueues and panthor realtime submission Tvrtko Ursulin
2026-07-17  9:02 ` [RFC v3 1/2] workqueue: Add support for real-time workers Tvrtko Ursulin
2026-07-17 10:06   ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2026-07-22 19:05     ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2026-07-17  9:02 ` [RFC v3 2/2] drm/panthor: Create per queue priority workqueues Tvrtko Ursulin

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