From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Puranjay Mohan <puranjay@kernel.org>,
rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org>,
Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
Boqun Feng <boqun@kernel.org>,
Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
Zqiang <qiang.zhang@linux.dev>,
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/11] RCU: Enable callbacks to benefit from expedited grace periods
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2026 14:44:59 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <amNeS_ahHPLqXIGT@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <062ddbcd-dac1-4ee1-9d3f-ef115a667d6a@paulmck-laptop>
Le Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 05:31:17PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2026 at 06:23:42AM -0700, Puranjay Mohan wrote:
> > This series lets call_rcu() callbacks be reclaimed as soon as either a
> > normal or an expedited grace period that covers them has elapsed, rather
> > than always waiting for a normal grace period.
> >
> > Motivation
> > ==========
> > Today there is an asymmetry: synchronize_rcu_expedited() callers get fast
> > reclaim, but call_rcu() callers never benefit from those same expedited
> > grace periods, even though an expedited GP proves exactly the same thing
> > as a normal one -- all pre-existing readers are done. When expedited GPs
> > are running on the system (driven by other subsystems), call_rcu()
> > callbacks that could already be freed instead sit in RCU_WAIT_TAIL until
> > the next normal GP. This series treats a grace period as a grace period
> > regardless of how it was driven, so memory is reclaimed sooner.
> >
> > Design
> > ======
> > Callback segments now record both the normal and expedited grace-period
> > sequence in struct rcu_gp_seq, and rcu_segcblist_advance() releases a
> > segment as soon as poll_state_synchronize_rcu_full() reports that either
> > has completed. Three notification paths are taught about expedited
> > completion so the advance actually happens: the NOCB rcuog kthreads,
> > the rcu_pending() tick gate, and rcu_core().
> >
> > Changelog:
> > RFC: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260417231203.785172-1-puranjay@kernel.org/
> > Changes in v1:
> > - New prep patch 1 renames struct rcu_gp_oldstate to struct rcu_gp_seq
> > and its fields rgos_norm/rgos_exp to norm/exp tree-wide (Frederic).
> > - The rcu_segcblist segment field stays named gp_seq; only its type
> > changes (Frederic).
> > - Patch 8 (NOCB wake) is reworked. v1 woke the wrong waitqueue
> > (rdp_gp->nocb_gp_wq via wake_nocb_gp() rather than the leaf
> > rnp->nocb_gp_wq[] that an rcuog kthread waiting for a GP sleeps on),
> > and the wait condition only checked the normal ->gp_seq. The rcuog
> > grace-period wait now tracks a struct rcu_gp_seq and is released via
> > poll_state_synchronize_rcu_full(); rcu_exp_wait_wake() wakes the leaf
> > node through the new rcu_nocb_exp_cleanup() (Frederic).
> > - rcu_pending() uses a new memory-ordering-free
> > poll_state_synchronize_rcu_full_unordered() to avoid memory barriers
> > on every tick, leaving the ordering duty to rcu_core() (Frederic).
> >
> > Still open: Frederic asked whether the first smp_mb() in
> > poll_state_synchronize_rcu_full() is needed on the callback-advance path
> > (patch 6). That path still uses the fully ordered helper; only
> > rcu_pending() was switched to the unordered variant. Happy to revisit.
> >
> > Puranjay Mohan (11):
> > rcu: Rename struct rcu_gp_oldstate to rcu_gp_seq
> > rcu/segcblist: Add SRCU and Tasks RCU wrapper functions
> > rcu/segcblist: Factor out rcu_segcblist_advance_compact() helper
> > rcu/segcblist: Track segment grace periods with struct rcu_gp_seq
> > rcu: Add RCU_GET_STATE_NOT_TRACKED for subsystems without expedited
> > GPs
> > rcu: Enable RCU callbacks to benefit from expedited grace periods
> > rcu: Update comments for gp_seq and expedited GP tracking
> > rcu: Wake NOCB rcuog kthreads on expedited grace period completion
> > rcu: Detect expedited grace period completion in rcu_pending()
> > rcu: Advance callbacks for expedited GP completion in rcu_core()
> > rcuscale: Add concurrent expedited GP threads for callback scaling
> > tests
>
> I do see the occasional failure when running TREE01, as in a failure or
> four every couple hundred hours of testing. This is the only rcutorture
> scenario that exercises callback (de)offloading, which might (or might
> not) be a clue.
>
> The console log of a failing run is attached, or you can find it here:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EH2P4SDy2a-SJndkN3GbCTGAXxI2xevm/view?usp=sharing
>
> This is a "??? Writer stall state" failure, where rcutorture never learns
> of grace-period completion. Possibly because no grace period completed.
> But there are no RCU CPU stall warnings. In addition, these two lines
>
> [ 631.032657] ??? Writer stall state RTWS_EXP_SYNC(4) g152813 f0x0 ->state D cpu 1
> . . .
> [ 3610.863114] ??? Writer stall state RTWS_EXP_SYNC(4) g736160 f0x0 ->state D cpu 1
>
> show that the grace-period sequence number advanced from 152813 to
> 736160 in about 50 minutes. So grace periods really are completing,
> lots of them.
>
> This rcutorture scenario has rcu_nocbs CPUs, and CPU 5 is in trouble:
>
> [ 631.066109] rcu: CB 5^4->4 KblSW F21044 L21044 C116 .W120(148380/168068).N295B101 q516 S CPU 16
> . . .
> [ 3610.869914] rcu: CB 5^4->4 KblSW F3000848 L3000848 C116 .W120(148380/168068).N295B101 q516 S CPU 16
>
> There are 120 callbacks on the WAIT segment, which are waiting on
> grace-period sequence number 148380, which was long gone even back at
> 631.032657 seconds in (g152813). There are 295 more callbacks in the NEXT
> segment, which long ago should have been assigned a grace period and moved
> into the currently empty NEXT_READY segment (which is the "." right before
> the "N295"). There are yet another 101 callbacks on the bypass list.
>
> This suggests that the rcuog kthread isn't being awakened when it
> should be. And that something is failing to advance callbacks out of
> NEXT in a timely fashion.
>
> Thoughts?
If a grace period has elapsed while in the middle of nocb_gp_wait(),
after the call to rcu_advance_cbs() and before the following polling which
determines if we a grace period must be waited upon, then the kthread
will wait for new callbacks only (and will ignore waiting callbacks that
can now be advanced).
Does the following help?
diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree_nocb.h b/kernel/rcu/tree_nocb.h
index 6da1b8f52476..96d76eb6259d 100644
--- a/kernel/rcu/tree_nocb.h
+++ b/kernel/rcu/tree_nocb.h
@@ -792,22 +792,12 @@ static noinline_for_stack void nocb_gp_wait(struct rcu_data *my_rdp)
RCU_NEXT_READY_TAIL);
raw_spin_unlock_rcu_node(rnp); /* irqs disabled. */
}
- // Need to wait on some grace period?
+
WARN_ON_ONCE(wasempty &&
!rcu_segcblist_restempty(&rdp->cblist,
RCU_NEXT_READY_TAIL));
- /*
- * Only request a GP wait if the next pending callback's
- * GP has not already completed (normal or expedited).
- * If poll_state_synchronize_rcu_full() says it completed,
- * then rcu_advance_cbs() above already moved those
- * callbacks to RCU_DONE_TAIL, so there is no GP to wait
- * for. Any remaining callbacks got new (future) GP
- * numbers from rcu_accelerate_cbs() inside
- * rcu_advance_cbs() and will be handled on the next pass.
- */
- if (rcu_segcblist_nextgp(&rdp->cblist, &cur_gp_seq) &&
- !poll_state_synchronize_rcu_full(&cur_gp_seq)) {
+ // Need to wait on some grace period?
+ if (rcu_segcblist_nextgp(&rdp->cblist, &cur_gp_seq)) {
/*
* Track the earliest pending normal and expedited GP
* across the group so the wait below can be released by
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-24 12:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-24 13:23 Puranjay Mohan
2026-06-24 13:23 ` [PATCH v1 01/11] rcu: Rename struct rcu_gp_oldstate to rcu_gp_seq Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-09 11:47 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-06-24 13:23 ` [PATCH v1 02/11] rcu/segcblist: Add SRCU and Tasks RCU wrapper functions Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-09 11:51 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-06-24 13:23 ` [PATCH v1 03/11] rcu/segcblist: Factor out rcu_segcblist_advance_compact() helper Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-09 13:21 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-06-24 13:23 ` [PATCH v1 04/11] rcu/segcblist: Track segment grace periods with struct rcu_gp_seq Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-09 13:33 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-06-24 13:23 ` [PATCH v1 05/11] rcu: Add RCU_GET_STATE_NOT_TRACKED for subsystems without expedited GPs Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-09 13:48 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-06-24 13:23 ` [PATCH v1 06/11] rcu: Enable RCU callbacks to benefit from expedited grace periods Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-09 13:58 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-09 15:36 ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-10 13:58 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-14 18:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-20 14:22 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-20 16:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-21 12:06 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-24 18:31 ` [PATCH v2 6/11] " Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-25 0:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-06-24 13:23 ` [PATCH v1 07/11] rcu: Update comments for gp_seq and expedited GP tracking Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-20 14:56 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-06-24 13:23 ` [PATCH v1 08/11] rcu: Wake NOCB rcuog kthreads on expedited grace period completion Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-20 15:56 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-06-24 13:23 ` [PATCH v1 09/11] rcu: Detect expedited grace period completion in rcu_pending() Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-21 12:45 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-21 14:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-06-24 13:23 ` [PATCH v1 10/11] rcu: Advance callbacks for expedited GP completion in rcu_core() Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-21 14:35 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-21 15:06 ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-22 21:50 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-24 14:54 ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-06-24 13:23 ` [PATCH v1 11/11] rcuscale: Add concurrent expedited GP threads for callback scaling tests Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-20 18:02 ` [PATCH v1 00/11] RCU: Enable callbacks to benefit from expedited grace periods Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-24 0:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-24 12:44 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2026-07-24 12:52 ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-24 13:47 ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-07-24 14:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-24 17:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
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