From: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
To: Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>
Cc: kas@kernel.org, usama.arif@linux.dev, hughd@google.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, baohua@kernel.org,
baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, david@kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/huge_memory: transfer the pmd dirty bit to the folio on zap
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2026 23:20:02 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aod88sqdJ6qrNBxc@pedro-suse.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260820165334.36401-1-lance.yang@linux.dev>
On Fri, Aug 21, 2026 at 12:53:34AM +0800, Lance Yang wrote:
>
> >For some context: we were discussing (off-list) the recent report that
> >systemd-journald had horrible write amplification, worsed quite a bit
> >by large folios. At the moment, there is quite a lot of write amplification,
> >but _only_ on mmap writes (if you look at the write(2) paths, you'll see
> >write_begin and write_end which tactically only dirty what you actually wrote
> >to, block-wise in the BHs or iomap IFS). This doesn't need to be true.
> >
> >What we conjured up was the following: since WP faults always happen on PTEs,
> >you can simply dirty the block(s) corresponding to that particular PTE (which
> >naturally points to a page inside the folio, whether it is large or not, doesn't
> >matter). That way, you can avoid fully dirtying the folio's blocks. This is
> >something that ATM isn't done by any filesystem, but it really should.
> >
> >Obviously this whole idea is thwarted if we keep writable shared file folios
> >PMD-mapped - you can't get meaningful write notifications apart from "someone
> >wrote to this folio", which isn't particularly useful once folios get 2M+ large.
> >So PMD-mapping on a shared-write fault is antithetical to getting useful,
> >granular write notifications to filesystems.
>
> Just checking I got it right ... for a PMD-order file folio:
>
> read-only mapping -> PMD-mapped
> writable mapping -> PTE-mapped
>
> Then ->page_mkwrite() could dirty only blocks corresponding to faulting
> PTE, avoiding whole-folio write amplification.
Yes. To be clear, when I said "mapping" I meant "page table (PTE/PMD) entry".
So something like an mmap(PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED) could have PMD-mapped folios,
until you actually wrote to them (otherwise they're wp'd and huge-PMD-mapped).
--
Pedro
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-20 22:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-19 10:12 Usama Arif
2026-08-19 14:13 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-19 14:13 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-19 14:31 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-19 16:17 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-19 16:32 ` Usama Arif
2026-08-20 13:05 ` Usama Arif
2026-08-19 16:35 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-20 6:13 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-20 12:12 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-20 13:20 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-20 14:10 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-20 16:53 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-20 22:20 ` Pedro Falcato [this message]
2026-08-19 20:33 ` Hugh Dickins
2026-08-19 15:10 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-19 15:31 ` Zi Yan
2026-08-19 16:09 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-20 2:06 ` Baolin Wang
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