From: Justin Stitt <justinstitt@google.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Vincent Mailhol <mailhol@kernel.org>, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
Marco Elver <elver@google.com>,
Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@gmail.com>,
Andrey Ryabinin <ryabinin.a.a@gmail.com>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
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Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] compiler_attributes: Add overflow_behavior macros __ob_trap and __ob_wrap
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2026 15:34:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqCMIFRHEQ3H9qad@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260401092027.GW3738786@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 01, 2026 at 11:20:27AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
...
>
> So I would like to second this option as being interesting.
>
> But while pondering it, I did want to note that all of the options, with
> the exception of __ob_wrap (which is effectively what we have today for
> *everything*), will be 'interesting' to compose with _Atomic, another
> one of these qualifiers.
>
> Now, in the kernel we don't use _Atomic, so strictly speaking I don't
> care ;-) But here goes...
>
> Something like _Atomic int __ob_wrap, is trivial and good.
>
> _Atomic int __ob_trap is either doable or impossible depending on how
> you define the result to be on 'trap'. Specifically, the semantics
> proposed where it keeps the old value makes it impossible.
>
> And _Atomic int __ob_saturate is equally 'challenging', since the
> fundamental thing of 'reset to min/max on under/over-flow' is rather
> a non-atomic kind of thing. Look at the trouble we went through with
> refcount_t to sort of make this work.
>
FWIW, I've moved to simply disallow OBT+Atomic. We've got this under
-fexperimental so I'm well within my right :). The idea being: __ob_trap
isn't workable with Atomic (depending on storage semantics) and
__ob_wrap isn't very useful there either, plus I had some parsing bugs
where specific ordering of things could result in OBT being silently
dropped with _Atomic and those magically go away by disallowing this
pairing all together.
I just opened the PR over at [1] and it is still pending but this is
probably where I'll go with _Atomic and OBT :)
Link: https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/222179
Thanks
Justin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-08 22:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-03-31 16:37 [PATCH 0/5] Introduce Overflow Behavior Types Kees Cook
2026-03-31 16:37 ` [PATCH 1/5] refcount: Remove unused __signed_wrap function annotations Kees Cook
2026-03-31 16:37 ` [PATCH 2/5] hardening: Introduce Overflow Behavior Types support Kees Cook
2026-03-31 16:37 ` [PATCH 3/5] compiler_attributes: Add overflow_behavior macros __ob_trap and __ob_wrap Kees Cook
2026-03-31 17:01 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-03-31 17:09 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-03-31 17:09 ` Justin Stitt
2026-03-31 17:14 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-03-31 17:17 ` Justin Stitt
2026-03-31 19:52 ` Kees Cook
2026-04-01 9:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-01 20:21 ` Kees Cook
2026-04-01 20:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-01 20:55 ` Kees Cook
2026-04-01 23:42 ` Justin Stitt
2026-04-02 9:13 ` David Laight
2026-03-31 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-31 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-04-01 7:19 ` Vincent Mailhol
2026-04-01 9:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-01 19:43 ` Kees Cook
2026-09-08 22:34 ` Justin Stitt [this message]
2026-04-01 19:42 ` Kees Cook
2026-03-31 16:37 ` [PATCH 4/5] lkdtm/bugs: Add basic Overflow Behavior Types test Kees Cook
2026-03-31 17:16 ` Justin Stitt
2026-03-31 16:37 ` [PATCH 5/5] types: Add standard __ob_trap and __ob_wrap scalar types Kees Cook
2026-03-31 17:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-31 17:47 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-03-31 18:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-31 18:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-31 18:59 ` Kees Cook
2026-03-31 20:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-31 18:32 ` Kees Cook
2026-03-31 18:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-31 18:16 ` Kees Cook
2026-03-31 20:03 ` Kees Cook
2026-03-31 20:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-31 20:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-31 20:31 ` Kees Cook
2026-03-31 20:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-31 21:50 ` Justin Stitt
2026-03-31 23:49 ` Kees Cook
2026-03-31 23:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-04-01 8:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-01 20:52 ` Kees Cook
2026-04-02 5:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-10 17:48 ` Justin Stitt
2026-04-01 8:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-01 20:23 ` Kees Cook
2026-04-01 9:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-01 21:41 ` Kees Cook
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