From: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/mm/pat: skip RWX verification until kernel text is set to read only
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2026 20:45:14 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqGbKuaVo5FVGG7l@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c364b3b6-f8c1-45a6-af3e-8685d9044b0c@intel.com>
On Wed, Sep 09, 2026 at 07:22:31AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 9/9/26 02:40, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 08, 2026 at 05:15:46PM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> ...
> >> How about we add a kernel_strict_rwx() helper:
> >>
> >> bool strict_kernel_rwx(void)
> >> {
> >> return IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX) && rodata_enabled;
> >> }
> >>
> >> Have verify_rwx() check *that*.
> >
> > Checking only that will bring the warning about ITS pages back :)
> >
> > Both CONFIG_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX and rodata_enabled are set before the
> > alternatives patching.
> >
> > And rodata_enabled is kinda arm64 specific thingy :)
>
> I think I was confusing rodata_enabled and kernel_set_to_readonly as I
> read through things.
>
> But either way, I really don't like the idea of checking some random
> state bit. It's generally fragile.
>
> > The check for (!kernel_set_to_readonly) has to stay to actually rule
> > out the silly checks at boot and it covers your strict_kernel_rwx() because
> > kernel_set_to_readonly is only set when strict_kernel_rwx() will be true.
>
> Could we do something slightly more generic?
>
> mark_readonly() is awfully close to setting SYSTEM_RUNNING:
>
> mark_readonly();
> pti_finalize();
> system_state = SYSTEM_RUNNING;
We could check SYSTEM_RUNNING, but OTOH using kernel_set_to_readonly is
consistent with the existing checks in protect_rodata() and
protect_kernel_text_ro() in the same file.
I think that it's better to use the consistent kernel_set_to_readonly now
and flipping them all to SYSTEM_RUNNING ...
> What if we (eventually) did something like:
... when something like this materializes.
> /*
> * Get the kernel page tables ready to run userspace.
> * There should be no page table manipulation between this and
> * settings SYSTEM_RUNNING.
> */
> void boot_finalize_page_tables(void)
> {
> WARN_ON(system_state >= SYSTEM_RUNNING);
>
> mark_readonly();
>
> /*
> * Kernel mappings are now finalized - update
> * the userspace page-able to finalize PTI.
> */
> pti_finalize();
>
> /* Ensure the final kernel mappings have no W+X issues: */
> debug_checkwx();
> }
>
> and then verify_rwx() can just check system_state?
and protect_rodata() and protect_kernel_text_ro() :)
> >> Also, make the DEBUG_WX functionality mandatory for STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
> >> (with appropriate renaming) so that it can be depended upon. I assume
> >> all the distros are turning DEBUG_WX on already (Ubuntu seems to).
> >
> > Just checked my Debian config, it does.
> >
> >> Maybe just do the strict_kernel_rwx() to start and then circle back
> >> around to muck with making DEBUG_WX mandatory?
> >
> > I though about making DEBUG_WX mandatory right away, but that's surely not a
> > oneliner, so I kept it for later. Maybe should have mentioned in the
> > changelog, though.
>
> Yes, please. It would be nice to mention that the fix is a bit exposed
> without DEBUG_WX. It could honestly even pr_info_once() about it to make
> it less likely it somehow gets forgotten.
I like the pr_info_once() idea, will add it in v2.
--
Sincerely yours,
Mike.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-09 17:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-08 9:27 Mike Rapoport
2026-09-08 23:33 ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-09-09 0:15 ` Dave Hansen
2026-09-09 9:40 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-09-09 14:22 ` Dave Hansen
2026-09-09 17:45 ` Mike Rapoport [this message]
2026-09-09 17:38 ` Ihor Solodrai
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