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From: Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>
To: Bobby Eshleman <bobbyeshleman@gmail.com>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Shuah Khan" <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowangio@gmail.com>,
	"Xuan Zhuo" <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
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	sargun@sargun.me, jlinbox@meta.com,
	"Bobby Eshleman" <bobbyeshleman@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 0/6] vsock: assign the guest vsock device to a network namespace
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2026 12:16:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqkaTXHDf5nfPL9w@sgarzare-redhat> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <apsANK7ySuRzzK0V@devvm29614.prn0.facebook.com>

On Fri, Sep 04, 2026 at 10:30:28AM -0700, Bobby Eshleman wrote:
>On Fri, Sep 04, 2026 at 10:55:17AM +0200, Stefano Garzarella wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 02, 2026 at 04:00:46PM -0700, Bobby Eshleman wrote:
>> > vsock network namespaces let a host put each VM in a namespace of its
>> > own. A guest has no equivalent yet. It has a single G2H device that
>> > cannot be assigned to a network namespace.
>>
>> Thanks for this, I'll do a proper review next week, in the mean time some
>> comments below:
>>
>> >
>> > This series lets a guest move that device into a network namespace. A
>> > new ioctl on /dev/vsock, IOCTL_VM_SOCKETS_ASSIGN_G2H_NETNS, assigns the
>> > device to the namespace of the calling process. The namespace's existing
>>
>> Why an ioctl?
>>
>> I'm asking because I'd like to know if you've already considered any
>> alternatives (sysfs, netlink, etc.)
>>
>> How do you think the ioctl should be used? Should we provide an userspace
>> tool, or extending some existing tools?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stefano
>
>Really only because /dev/vsock exists and the prior series used it.

Yeah, I vaguely remember that we may have discussed switching to netlink 
in that thread, but I can't find it.

>
>Considering netlink, it might be the better option because there is a
>lot of prior art solving problems we might have in the future. For
>example, I was thinking about when users suddenly lose access to vsock,
>with just the current assign ioctl there is no way for apps or users to
>figure out why this happened. We can have an ioctl() setter for user,
>but in netdev world users can actually get a notification via netlink as
>to which namespace the device went to and what its ifindex is there (see
>__dev_change_net_namespace() for the RTM_DELLINK and RTM_NEWLINK
>messages). There is probably more, but that's the case that comes to
>mind.

netlink seems like the right way to go, do you think it'll be a real 
pain to implement?

>
>>
>> > ns_mode then decides who may use it: a "global" namespace shares the
>> > device with every other global namespace, and a "local" namespace keeps
>> > the host connection to itself. The device starts out in the initial
>> > namespace, so until the ioctl is issued nothing has moved and no mode
>> > has changed. There is no explicit unassign as assigning the device back
>> > to the initial namespace is equivalent.
>> >
>> > The ioctl requires CAP_NET_ADMIN in the initial user namespace.
>> >
>> > Connections that can no longer reach the device after a move are reset,
>> > so that a namespace which has lost access cannot keep using a socket it
>> > opened while it still had access. Following netdevs, the device returns
>> > to the initial namespace when the namespace it was moved to is deleted.
>> >
>> > Transports opt in through a new netns_assign_allow callback. Only
>> > virtio-vsock implements it here.
>>
>> Why? (Not asking to support all the others, asking to explain the reason or
>> ask helps from others to extend it)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stefano
>
>Sure, can add a note here about extending it. I just didn't want to
>implement code without having an environment allowing me to test it.

It's fine, I'm not asking you to do it ;-)

Sorry again for the delay, I hope to review this series today/tomorrow.

Thanks,
Stefano


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-15 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-02 23:00 Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-02 23:00 ` [PATCH net-next 1/6] vsock: constify the transport in vsock_for_each_connected_socket() Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-15 15:42   ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-02 23:00 ` [PATCH net-next 2/6] vsock: add IOCTL_VM_SOCKETS_ASSIGN_G2H_NETNS Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-02 23:35   ` Randy Dunlap
2026-09-02 23:58     ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-06 17:03   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-09-15 15:28   ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-15 15:45     ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-15 20:49       ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-15 18:50     ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-16 12:57       ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-02 23:00 ` [PATCH net-next 3/6] vsock/virtio: support guest device network namespace Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-06 17:04   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-09-15 15:47   ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-15 18:14     ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-16 12:44       ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-16 17:06         ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-02 23:00 ` [PATCH net-next 4/6] selftests/vsock: add a helper to assign the g2h device to a netns Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-06 17:04   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-09-02 23:00 ` [PATCH net-next 5/6] selftests/vsock: test the guest vsock device network namespace Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-06 17:04   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-09-02 23:00 ` [PATCH net-next 6/6] selftests/vsock: test the assign ioctl privilege checks Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-06 17:04   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-09-04  8:55 ` [PATCH net-next 0/6] vsock: assign the guest vsock device to a network namespace Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-04 17:30   ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-15 10:16     ` Stefano Garzarella [this message]
2026-09-15 17:43       ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-16 12:36         ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-16 17:00           ` Bobby Eshleman

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